this is very simple u either are . .

1) multiaccounting or have deposited funds using that card on another name on full tilt . .

2) you currently already have an outstanding debt with FTP

3) one of your friends has done option 1 or 2 from your IP address

Coach me.

You are the King of Unnecessary Capitalization, though. Are you really a law student? This must be a level.

Semantics are important here. What the OP did or threatened to do (discussing trading of his funds to someone else while cancelling the e-check) is despicable. But chargebacks in general are acceptable if customer service on the other end is unresponsive. This is how customers fight back against merchants that have unacceptable business practices. This is not the case here, however. Calling your bank up and asking for a chargeback on an e-check or a credit card for a purchase that you made is not necessarily fraud is what I'm saying. If you DID make the purchase though and claim that someone else did in order to stop it from going through, that's another story.

No, doing a chargeback because a merchant didn't respond to you in 24 hours, particularly in an industry and with a company that is well known for slow customer service, is not acceptable.

If you're on 2+2 (etc) or otherwise knowledgeable about online poker and you choose to play at FTP you are tacitly agreeing to slow and marginal customer service. While you can certainly admonish and urge them to improve this fact should not come as a surprise and it does not give you the right to unilaterally duck your contractual obligations.

If good, fast customer service is important to you, play at a site that has it. Not FTP. If you can live with it, then fine. But know that if you have a problem on FTP you may have to be patient and it may take a few tries to get things resolved.

Apparently my previous post in this thread failed to clear up the fact that bouncing a check and doing a chargeback are not the same thing. Chargebacks are sometimes appropriate (whether this case qualifies is dubious). Writing a bad check is not.

I bet you got teased a lot when you were little and now behind the safety of your computerscreen this is your chance to be popular.
Hey, CMAR is popular, if he makes a false accusation why not gang up with him.

Now for all the intelligent people out here:
Surely, if I ever was banned -which has got nothing to do with the discussion by the way, nice little trick- CMAR could have proved that.
He uses smokescreens and distractions. Look at that endless stream of words.
Anybody remembers what the discussion was about again or actually read all he wrote?

Therefore my reaction: Blahblahblah. Not falling for that.

You mean like when you said that I only ever post in your threads to refute your complaints against poker sites.

Except that wasn't true:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...edited-403222/

Or like when you accused me of running roughshod over you when you previously posted your complaint about Stars.

Except that wasn't true either:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...equest-375523/


So again, feel free to point out specifically where I've ever posted anything untrue or that wasn't a reasonable conclusion from what has been presented.

Like I just did to you...

Sure it does. You've made several unsubstantiated claims in this thread. Including attacks on my character. Your credibility absolutely has something to do with the discussion. So does mine.

And if you've ever been banned and if you have, why you were banned, absolutely goes to your credibility.

You've never actually admitted or denied if you've been banned. You just keep putting up... How did you put it? Oh, yeah smokescreens, and avoiding the question.

So I'll ask you again. Have you been banned on 2+2? If so, why?

And what are your previous account(s)?

Ah, yes, there's that smokescreen of yours. Not an actual denial, just a deflection.

So once again, how exactly would I prove it? I'm genuinely interested here because this would be a very useful information!

(Hint: If you've taken the proper steps to hide, there is no way I can ever prove if you've previously been banned or not.)

I guess I should go back to posting sentence fragments in a big one paragraph block of text with random ellipses... sprinkled everywhere.

I do!

I see.

So your counter-argument, your big juicy revelation that disproves everything I've ever said is...

I'm long winded and wordy.

Wow.

Stunning.

That caught me completely by surprise!

I don't know how I'll ever recover from that sick burn.

Ouch.

Ouch.

Ouch.

Oh, did I mention,

Ouch.

Yep. Never heard that before.

Wow.

Gee, I hope nobody noticed that I'm bald and slightly overweight too.

I saw your post. Unless you truely knows what your talking about you can make that statement.
You might be right, but I'm not convinced that a court would consider this a fraudalent behaivour given the circumstanses. Actually I would be very surprised.

It is somewhat besides the point imo. You people would have the exact same reasoning if it was a CC chargebck or bouncing check.

PS. Im glad to see there are atleast some people responding in this thread that questions the behaivour from FTP.

Bubbleblower
enthusiast

Join Date: Oct 2008

So, banned, or multiple accounts?

So what law school did you go to? I'm pretty sure you didn't graduate from one since grammar would seem important, and as shown above yours is atrocious. Who are you to give legal opinions?

FWIW, op is shady as hell. Anyone who can't see that there is good reason to question his credibility needs to get their head examined. That said, their support needs major major work and I don't blame OP for being upset that they won't even respond to him, or anyone else that's ever in this spot.

Classy post!
Sir, I'm not allowed to have an opinion because of my grammar?

Its just an opinion nothing more. Why dont you ask the same question to the people here that are claiming fraud and and actually stating he is commiting it?

Is it because they write better grammar?

I haven't looked back thru this but has anyone posted "better thread title next time please"?

we could basically just write that and call it a wrap.

QFT. BTTNTP.

However, in this case he didn't give the merchant time to deliver on the product. Keep in mind part of FTP's product is security. I can see your point if he made the charge back after a couple weeks of not getting his product, but 24-48 hours is ridiculous.

EDIT: Read your post over again, and I agree with you.

No, you aren't qualified to say what a court would or would not rule because you did not complete law school. Your lack of good grammar bolstered the fact that you could not pass law school. They were two separate things.

Fraud, however, is fairly cut and tried. Knowingly cutting a check, then making it completely uncashable is fraud. Taking a check and waiting for it to clear, like every business and bank does, which includes Full Tilt, is not. A poker site fronting you the money on an e-check is a privilege. They don't have to do that, and if you do something to have the privilege revoked, such as what the OP almost certainly has done (multi-accounting), then you have to wait for your money. OP is a child and being denied instant gratification, he committed fraud.

I linked to a page that summarized the laws of all 50 states.

What have you done other than to state your "opinion" about what the laws are?

I thought this was funny

Geez, you have clearly missunderstood what I have written. If its because of my grammar then I'm sorry. However I doubt thats the only reason.

I have never said how a court would rule. My very point was just that. People should not state and accuse without propper knowledge.
I guess my point came out terribly wrong. Instead I get a very strange insult.

Nothing! I have not even stated my opinion of what the laws are.

Read this. Here is someone with the exact same reasoning as mine. However he makes it very clear.

You claim to have read my posts, in which case you would have realized that bouncing a check and doing a chargeback on a credit card have very little in common.

perhaps the only guy here more ******ed then the OP

Good read, nh, wp.

Still no response from FTP. $300 in my account for no reason.

Where is everyone I want to know what you think about this? Why have they not responded to me in about a week but let me deposit?

Cuz you sent them 50 million of them?

Have you emailed security@fulltiltpoker.com yet?

and also make sure that the emails aren't being caught by your spam blocker