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11-03-2009 , 11:13 AM
do they ship world wide?
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11-03-2009 , 11:14 AM
Ordered. I wonder how long till it arrives?
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11-03-2009 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TGSM89
bought one
cool story bro.
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11-03-2009 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GoCobbers95
I was more thinking of it was stolen rather than lost...

Was not aware of the one time codes. Beautiful idea.
If it is stolen the person who stole it would have to know what account it is linked to and password/pin.

I just don't see anything anywhere about the procedure if is lost/stolen. On Stars you just use your one time codes and log in and take care of the problem. I see nothing like that on FT. I can imagine trying to talk to support at FT to get a new one ordered and having to wait weeks to have access to your account/funds.
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11-03-2009 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by panda
Ordered. I wonder how long till it arrives?
Hopefully not as long as typical FTP store items...
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11-03-2009 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mittman84
If it is stolen the person who stole it would have to know what account it is linked to and password/pin.

I just don't see anything anywhere about the procedure if is lost/stolen. On Stars you just use your one time codes and log in and take care of the problem. I see nothing like that on FT. I can imagine trying to talk to support at FT to get a new one ordered and having to wait weeks to have access to your account/funds.
Gross
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11-03-2009 , 11:20 AM
Does anyone have any info on the phone application? Namely, will it work on my iPhone and is there any timeframe for availability?
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11-03-2009 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Naismith
Does anyone have any info on the phone application? Namely, will it work on my iPhone and is there any timeframe for availability?
iphone is not listed on the supported phones..

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/login-w...mobile-devices
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11-03-2009 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GoCobbers95
iphone is not listed on the supported phones..

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/login-w...mobile-devices

Well, that decision just became simpler.

Thank you!
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11-03-2009 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GoCobbers95
iphone is not listed on the supported phones..

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/login-w...mobile-devices
Makes me think this thing is not made by RSA. I don't see a company name anywhere and RSA already has an iPhone app.

I am predicting a trainwreck on this one.
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11-03-2009 , 11:31 AM
mittman, you should probably address some of your queries to FTPDoug in the Q thread
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11-03-2009 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mittman84
I am predicting a trainwreck on this one.
My plan is to let everyone else beta test this for me...
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11-03-2009 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mittman84
But if its broken/lost you will have to wait for another one to ship before you have access to your account. Stars sends you a sheet of one time codes. That isn't any less secure, you can hide them away somewhere.
I suppose it's better for their business to help customers be able to access their account if they lose their token, but as someone who is aware of how RSA works this is kind of concerning. Based on cryptanalysis study of the RSA's SecurID Hash Function (the function that generates the key every 30 seconds), it can be possible to "break" (be able to predict) the RSA SecurIDs with enough plain text data. In other words, if someone were able to get ahold of that sheet of one time codes (have access to your email), they may be able to determine at least one vanishing differential of your hash function and thus "break" your RSA token and be able to predict all the "randomly" generated codes.

Before anyone gets too scared, there is only a 10% chance of being able to do this and that's with having two months of plaintext code. I don't know how many codes they send you, but stuff often takes many weeks to get sent to me from the Full Tilt store and people hit 9-1 shots agaisnt me all the time.

All that being said, I'm very happy about this RSA token being added and I will feel pretty close to 100% safe about my account now and was merely pointing out a possible weakness to the system. And believe me, theres a lot more money to be made cracking RSA for things more important than a FT account and requires a significant amount of education in number theory and cryptography.

I may write up more about potential threats to the SecurID system in the future if anyone is interested.
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11-03-2009 , 11:33 AM
If it's RSA, there's already an app in the App Store. However, I see no mention of "RSA" anywhere in FT's literature. I assume this means it's not RSA.
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11-03-2009 , 11:35 AM
ordered
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11-03-2009 , 11:38 AM
I don't play at stars or have their token but I'm under the impression the one time codes are physicaly mailed to you, not email. They send 25 at a time, I don't know if that is enough data for what you are talking about. Do you know this thing is even made by RSA for sure. I hope it is but I don't see it anywhere. On stars "RSA" is everywhere.
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11-03-2009 , 11:39 AM
likely not RSA... current phone not supported... droid not supported... oh well, i'll let others try

also: you're not going to "crack the algorithm with a 10% chance" with 60 codes... where are you getting this information?
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11-03-2009 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mittman84
I don't play at stars or have their token but I'm under the impression the one time codes are physicaly mailed to you, not email. They send 25 at a time, I don't know if that is enough data for what you are talking about. Do you know this thing is even made by RSA for sure. I hope it is but I don't see it anywhere. On stars "RSA" is everywhere.
The codes are physically mailed to you on a sheet of paper.

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Originally Posted by Blinky2099
likely not RSA... current phone not supported... droid not supported... oh well, i'll let others try

also: you're not going to "crack the algorithm with a 10% chance" with 60 codes... where are you getting this information?
I think he said with two months of data, not 60 codes.

Mark
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11-03-2009 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Blinky2099
likely not RSA... current phone not supported... droid not supported... oh well, i'll let others try

also: you're not going to "crack the algorithm with a 10% chance" with 60 codes... where are you getting this information?
He said 2 months of plain text data....
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11-03-2009 , 11:54 AM
how many codes are in a months worth of plaintext data? i figured you'd have ~1 code a day/1 sheet of 25 codes per month or something.
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11-03-2009 , 11:54 AM
Im on public WiFi currently so I cant access FTP's site to find out if my cell phone is one of the ones supported. I have a Samsung Omnia I910, can someone check and let me know.

Thanks in advance
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11-03-2009 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jasons0147
Im on public WiFi currently so I cant access FTP's site to find out if my cell phone is one of the ones supported. I have a Samsung Omnia I910, can someone check and let me know.

Thanks in advance
It says the Omnia i900 is, but does not list the 910.
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11-03-2009 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jasons0147
Im on public WiFi currently so I cant access FTP's site to find out if my cell phone is one of the ones supported. I have a Samsung Omnia I910, can someone check and let me know.

Thanks in advance
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11-03-2009 , 11:57 AM
Cool, its the same phone. If it works for I900 it will work for I910.
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11-03-2009 , 12:00 PM
iPhone, Palm Pre and Android support for the mobile device are a must
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