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04-28-2009 , 06:05 PM

#51

The4thFilm

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LOL this sucks

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04-28-2009 , 06:07 PM

#52

starscream1101

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Originally Posted by LucidDream

mix the reg and deep tbls back in together immediately plz.

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Originally Posted by Mittens

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Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

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Originally Posted by nodudeomaha

+1, change it the **** back

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04-28-2009 , 06:08 PM

#53

click_to_win

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When people moan about not having a ring game filter, FTP drones who don't play online poker misunderstand and you end up with this crap. *** the idea of a ring game filter (i mean really, are people having trouble finding their games, really???) and just go back to what it was and never change anything again you FTP clowns.

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04-28-2009 , 06:10 PM

#54

BelgoSuisse

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Originally Posted by Pokerho

My experience has been that the fish are not buying in for the deep stacked amount ever in a deep table game. In fact at 75% of the deep games I sit at, it's usually no more than me and one other player who are full stacked. Occasionally 2 others.

So really the only edge you lose out on here is when some fish doubles up or otherwise gets into the deep range, and then you clobber him for a big stack. But 95% of the time, they buy in for 40-60 bb and that's that.

nobody here has a problem with fishes buying in for 60bb. But we want them to have a pleasant experience while losing their $$ through the artful moves of multi-street poker instead of having to suffer to mindless robotic mecanics of 20bb deep play.

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04-28-2009 , 06:13 PM

#55

DanielTanner

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wp fulltilt... back to stars.

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04-28-2009 , 06:16 PM

#56

iMsoLucky0

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I agree completely. I will be echoing the sentiment here to my contacts at FTP.

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04-28-2009 , 06:22 PM

#57

iMsoLucky0

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Originally Posted by Pokerho

Honestly, unless I'm missing something, I think this is a huge over-reaction. If I'm reading most of these posts right, the problem seems to be that now fish will never go to the deep stack tables since they are now separated out a little differently.

My experience has been that the fish are not buying in for the deep stacked amount ever in a deep table game. In fact at 75% of the deep games I sit at, it's usually no more than me and one other player who are full stacked. Occasionally 2 others.

So really the only edge you lose out on here is when some fish doubles up or otherwise gets into the deep range, and then you clobber him for a big stack. But 95% of the time, they buy in for 40-60 bb and that's that.

Obviously I'm in the minority here, since I think every single poster to this thread is of the "FT cost me $2 million today!" ilk, but no doubt I will soon be corrected shortly.

It's more that without randoms joining deep tables they won't run and the regs wan't to be able to play tables without 20 bb shovebot ratholers (and I don't think the randoms actually prefer the normal tables, they are just easier to find in the lobby right now).

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04-28-2009 , 06:29 PM

#58

React1oN

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definitely put deep tables back w/ the regular tables

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04-28-2009 , 06:38 PM

#59

enty

say 'what' again

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04-28-2009 , 06:41 PM

#60

LucidDream

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Originally Posted by Pokerho

i dont care if the fish buys in deep. i just want them at deep tbls so SSers cant join. we arent asking FTP to do something so that more fish come to deep tbls than 100bb tbls...just so that the deep tbls have an equal chance of getting fish as the 100bb ones do.

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04-28-2009 , 06:46 PM

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DaycareInferno

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they should call them fun tables or adventure tables or something

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04-28-2009 , 06:47 PM

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Pokerho

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Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

I'm not buying that fish are having a more pleasant time losing their money at deep tables, but:

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Originally Posted by iMsoLucky0

I do concede this as a reasonable point if you're simply saying a large percentage of the deep stacker table players didn't intentionally go to a deep stack table in the first place. I can see where overall volume might be pushed down in this case.

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04-28-2009 , 06:48 PM

#63

mikeymer

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+1

please fix this.

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04-28-2009 , 06:49 PM

#64

tannenj

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+1

this is just silly

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04-28-2009 , 06:52 PM

#65

Vitamin11

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we ask for cash game filters, they give us this ****

so standard

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04-28-2009 , 06:53 PM

#66

bigbb33

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Signed. I have also sent an e-mail to FTP too.

I want to make it clear that I want deep tables BACK IN THE SAME MIX AS NON-DEEP TABLES. I'm saying this because I know FTP will try to do some half-ass compromise and put deep tables in their own section that is closer to non-deep tables or something. No, FTP: put it back to how it was before.

There is no reason that people will accidentally join deep tables now that they have the icon next to them anyway.

This is also a huge, huge deal to me as deep tables are why I play at FTP: I am playing at PS until this is fixed and see no reason to play at FTP if it is ignored.

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04-28-2009 , 06:57 PM

#67

Rocket Punch

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Yeah, as soon as I opened ft I got concerned with this.

Deep tables need to be mixed with normal tables. Fix this ASAP!!!

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04-28-2009 , 07:04 PM

#68

LucidDream

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Originally Posted by Pokerho

I'm not buying that fish are having a more pleasant time losing their money at deep tables, but:

I do concede this as a reasonable point if you're simply saying a large percentage of the deep stacker table players didn't intentionally go to a deep stack table in the first place. I can see where overall volume might be pushed down in this case.

fish go to the first open seat available. the reason the deep tbls mostly filled w/ fish before was because there was an open seat at a deep tbl so the fish, not caring whether he played 100bb or 200bb tbls just took the seat. now if he scrolls down the same list he stumbles on to 100bb only tbls and just takes the open seat, never even making it down to the deep tbls which are also below the CAP tbls.

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04-28-2009 , 07:18 PM

#69

TronSpecial

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+1 seriously this is fked up

also antes plz

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04-28-2009 , 07:19 PM

#70

Marquoz

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Originally Posted by LucidDream

Exactly. There are far fewer deep tables running now as a result. The new FT system actively channels the ALL the fish into the 100 BB tables and away from the deep ones. They couldn't have come up with a better system to help out the 20 BB shortstack pushbots if they tried.

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04-28-2009 , 07:20 PM

#71

theballer84

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I do believe that most people who have qualms with your previous post in this thread will mostly be worried about this. I have been watching the 200nl short handed games most of the afternoon here (EST) and comparatively there were very few deep tables running, mostly just filled with regulars. It seems that separating these table types has generated an even greater imbalance between the table types than normal.

It may be true that the fish usually don't buy in for full stacks, but if the fish aren't actively trying to buy-in for 200bb (they don't really care either way) they are going to just sit down at the most convenient location.

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04-28-2009 , 07:33 PM

#72

stanley644

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100% agree with this thread. mix them back in with the normal tables. there's no variation in the game, like Cap tables, so no need to seperate them.

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04-28-2009 , 07:34 PM

#73

DrewOnTilt

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Originally Posted by tvta

Sorry FTP but you screwed up. Deep games need to be with the nondeep so fish will join. You are going to lose a lot of players to stars if this isnt corrected, me included. Right now there are zero FR 1/2 deep games going and only 2 at 2/4. Im looking at the stars lobby now, and I see more than enough 50bb min tables where I dont have to put up with shortstacking scumbags.
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discuss/complain/etc

Agreed, FTP thanks for the attempts at software improvements but please don't shut out the deepstack games.

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04-28-2009 , 07:51 PM

#74

TheRaiderr

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I don't see the problem.

The deepstack are right next to the normal ones in my lobby when I open it. I see the full ring games and directly under it the deep stack games. They are just clearly marked now as deep stack.

Whats the problem? you don't want them to be marked as deep stack? I don't see how someone would miss them and can't choose to sit at one if they wanted. I am just guessing they choose not too.

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04-28-2009 , 07:55 PM

#75

Marquoz

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Originally Posted by TheRaiderr

Whats the problem? you don't want them to be marked as deep stack?

No, we want them to have a chance to appear at the start of the list, since most fish just take the first available seat at the top without caring whether the table is 100 or 200 BB deep. It's unfair to channel the fish into the 100 BB tables this way, just as it would be unfair to channel them into the 200 BB tables if those were listed first. They should be randomized, like they used to be.

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