All the bitches we'll get because we have a mysterious online poker benefits card?

They probably let us know now so that people won't complain because they missed the rolling 500 by 100 points or so. I don't get how people can complain that some info isn't available yet. Would you rather get the full info on the 30th and not know the card was coming untill then?
I for one am positively surprised that we get anything before the end of the year which was the stated time they were aiming for

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You don't get the deduction twice. Only once. There's no instant deduction when buying a bonus, the deduction takes effect whilst you clear it.

Afaik it was actually announced for mid-year or March-May. I can't remember for sure but I'm confidant it wasn't the end of the year (although you may be thinking of the original mention that Doug made of a scheme which was to be released at the end of 2009).

sigh. i guess some people will only be happy once FTP foregoes with the actual poker playing aspect, and fishes money, upon depositing, automatically gets transferred to you. jesus. bitch forever about wanting a rewards scheme for higher volume users, you get one, and then you cry more? when they've not even said what you'll get yet?

FTP needs to scrap every RB program they currently have going and start over with one new one that doesnt suck. after black card gets going they will just have 3.5 RB programs that all suck. FTP points, 3rd party 27%, Iron Man, and then a black card promo that will cut into the first.

3.5 crappy RB programs and 0 customer service<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<STARS

how about you go troll somehwere else?

For the non-Supernova types, just the 27% rakeback plus Iron Man (at minimums only) combine to provide a minimum of 47.2% (Silver, Month 1, 200pts/15days) to a maximum of 110.1% (Silver, Month 37+, 50pts/25days), depending on your Iron Man level and months in Iron Man. Since most poker players aren't Supernova types, it's hard to argue that it "sucks". The recreational player is the one you want rewarded "the most" (as a percentage, not actual $$) since that is just more money for the regulars to win off of them.

Supernova types, please stay at Stars. The rewards are much better there for you than at Full Tilt. They always will be. But, the rewards at FTP hardly "suck" for the non-Supernova types. Seriously, stay at Stars.

I think the real problem is the fact FTP has to water down their promotions because of rakeback.

Which would be fine if every player had rakeback, but they don't. Non-rakeback players get the same promotions as rakeback players. Which clearly doesn't make any sense.

For non-rakeback players that can't even get remotely close to stars VIP program because if they did then the rakeback players would be getting even more.

It depends on how exactly they deduct items purchased in the Black Card store from MGR.

If it is an automatic deduction, like the normal store, then yes, it would be double taxation. You would lose MGR both for the purchase of the bonus and then the clearance.

The stars fanboys are just jealous they won't have a shiny black card.

Granted, you have to wait until the store opens to do a final calc, but I think it's reasonable to assume 1000 points will be worth somewhere between $4.x that the tourney tickets are and the $5 they hit our mgr. It would be pretty poor if the points were worth any less (since you could just use the points as tourney tickets (rather than converting to cash), otherwise they would have to devalue the normal store and the ironman store) and unrealistically awesome if worth more.

Oh please. Like this would ever happen. You're really pulling at straws here.

Quite obviously FullTilt is smart enough to make the deduction one or the other and not both. They deserve more credit then this.

i hope black card is good and that all the regs from stars move to ftp...

If you say so. I have not yet seen enough proof to agree with you.

Yet you've seen anything to the contrary? Your assumption is absurd given that every current deduction / method of deduction in place at FullTilt and just about every other network is not structured like this. Not only would it upset affiliate owners (as an affiliate owner myself I guarantee this would be the case) it would make the VIP scheme worthless and completely backfire its purpose (to enrich and market the site as opposed to hurting it).

sorry didnt mean to troll, just frustrated trying to figure out their RB program and was hoping a FTP rep was here listening.

As cool as it sounds, I doubt FTP would (when legislation finally clears) link the card as a debit card to pay for things out of your account. Can't imagine they want to make it easier to take money out of the site.

You're the one making the claims it absolutely will not happen. Therefore, you need to provide the proof, not I.

Not enough information has been released to be able to tell from my perspective.

What I do know is that their other store, the regular points store, automatically deducts from MGR at a rate of $0.005 per point.

It is entirely possible that this Black Card store will be different. However, we do not have enough evidence to tell yet.

Iron Man store deducts tournament tickets and bonuses when you use them.

The FTP points store does the same with items you purchase. When you purchase the item and have it shipped, you're consuming it, thus you pay for it with the points.

Sure, it could very likely be different, but it won't be in the form of a deduction when buying a bonus, and clearing that same bonus. This post of yours makes it look to me like you've lost track of the fact that that's what we were debating (not what the deduction will be, simply that it won't be structured like that). The proof lies in how they've structured everything to date and how MGR and deductions work in general. Case in point - it's common sense.

I've been a supernova at Pokerstars since day 1 of the program and have recently switched from PS to FTP. I've been a very high volume player from the start. What I really disliked about the PS SN program was the multitiered approach. I became tied to clearing bonuses and milestones and not actually playing the game. This became very unfun. I hope the black card does not have those negatives like the SN system did at PS.

I also disliked the way pokerstars absolutely caters to shortstackers. Every single thing they've done has been to the benefit of the multi table shortstackers. FTP appears to have a higher level of game integrity.

You guys say FTP customer service is bad? Have you dealt with them lately? I had a pretty complex problem that they helped me with. Every single email I sent to them was responded to in hours. The FTP I dealt with was A+ customer service.

Wrong. Tournament tickets from the iron man store aren't deducted at all, while the bonuses are like all bonuses except the mid/end year iron man bonuses.

Incidentally, full tilt's accounting is completely backwards. Points are a liability, and thus the expense is incurred when they are earned. When they're redeemed, their face value becomes income because the points no longer exist, but the real cost of the bonus, tournament ticket or physical item is an expense. Using points should be +MGR and earning them -MGR.

i have been suspended because a friend of mine who sent 20$ to me charged back his card... and i am suspended for life (or until he pays is due). their support was horrible and obv i lost my roll that was on ftp (1.5k) i even offered them to make a security deposit ... took 3 days between each of my 10 communications i had with them... i prefer security of ps over that