This is such a ploy by FTP. I was going to move to stars now the only way is assuming that i am going to be grandfathered in as a Black Card member then i can spend all my points for cash bonuses then i have to work off all those cash bonuses and move to stars to start the year.

OTHER SCENARIO which is probably correct.........

I have about 650k in points. If i am not grandfathered in here i have to play 100 more days here, (which is into January) become a black card member, buy my cash bonuses, work off my cash bonuses and finally move to stars to start the year there and make it to supernova ASAP. Not possible. If you are not grandfathered in which would be brilliant on their part you could not earn black card member status until january(plus they kick in the iron man 1/2 year bonus) which then would allow you to cash in your points. Work them off and now it middle of February and boom now you are a month and a half behind at Stars and you say ahhh i guess I will wait till next year.

BRAVO FTP on another gimmick unless you GRANDFATHER ME IN then i am gonzo by end of january playing only part time to work off my 1/2 year iron man bonus.

the 100 day rolling period is backdated. several people will have already earned the black card the day it comes out. it says so in the FAQ

If you bothered to read anything posted in any link or post in this thread, you'd know that the 100 days goes back as soon as the program starts.

The 1 million point bonus was just an example to show that attaining the minimum requirements isn't the same as having access to the best bonuses.

You claim that what I said was silly because it would be giving SNE type benefits for SN levels of volume. This is simply not true if the cost of the bonuses are unattainable for the players who aren't raking enough.

Just to hammer this point in, hypothetically if there were no schemes will silly names and just cash bonuses in the store and that there was a bonus for 10 million points that worked out to 100% rakeback no one would be sitting here claiming that FTP offers all players 100% rakeback.

If you must know I was told that the new system was going to give non-rb players a chance to get back rb equivalent by someone who works at Pocket Kings. He could be wrong on that detail but that's what I was told and I took it to mean that 27% was attainable in this new system.

Yeah we'll all see on Thursday. I guess we all have nothing better to do than bicker over it here.

best post itt by a not insignificant margin

looks like i ll be putting more volume at 10NL come october.

The only thing we know for sure right now is that the card is going to be black and every thing else is speculation, is this about right?

what these calculations fail to address is the pussy-pulling EV of being able to flash your FTP BLACK CARD!!!! to hot girls so they know how important you are

Bonus won't be huge, 500 points/day is way too easy to grind. If I had to guess I'd say it'll add 5% to RB tops

Would be extremly awesome if it would actually be a useable card like Neteller but since that's not possible for US folks it's never going to happen

I think once the infrastructure is in place and the US regulates poker next year, I think having the cards work like Visa/MC gift cards would be a great idea. Otherwise, who cares about having a useless black card in your wallet?

FTP lounge at the WSOP. Free food!

Someone calculate how much I'd need to eat there each day to make 1% more RB pls

According to Iron Man Calendar I've done during July/August/Sept ('till 25) 58k FTP. It's enough, I guess, right?

if anyone is wondering if they qualify it looks like you have to have paid about $8437 in rake in the last 100 days. Which, when put that way, is pretty gross

I'm really amazed that people can play poker, but fail so bad at reading FAQ's.

The back dating is from July/August/September? So Just need 50,000 points in that time frame to start off instantly Black Card?

backdating of 100 days so yeah it would be jul/aug/sept and a little of the end of june. whatever 100 days would be, if you have 50k base FTP points (not counting happy hour and the like) over that time you'll have earned your black card already

I've done 25,000 Points over that time frame. Hmmm, time to do 5,000 points a day for next 5 days lol.

Honestly, for me this is pretty close to perfect.

Anything huge/top-heavy/SNE-like would be likely to kill the games as all kinds of bonus-whore nits ramped up their volume.

As-is, this program should give a nice kick/incentive to those who are putting in that kind of volume anyway, without incentivizing all kinds of random nits from Estonia or wherever to clog up the games.

Im concerned theyre going to do something stupid like putting a special code on the back of your black card that you need to access the store. Hopefully ftp isnt that ******ed though.

Yes the only benefit is 2x points. Being able to convert points to cash is great for non tourney players.

For 6max 200 pts = $9 in RB
200 pts=$1 or $0.73 after RB hit
Total=29.16% That is the current value of RB + pts

Add in 2x point and the value of points = $1.46
Making the total RB=31.32%

Happy hour will increase the value a bit for the current system.
If they do not 2x Happy Hour points then the increase in value for the Black Card is less than the 2.16% increase in RB.

For FR 200 pts=$6 RB
Current system pts=30.24% RB
Black Card=33.48% RB

All calcs assume full tables oc.

FTP Doug (whoever) !!!

Just like there is an Ironman Plus, I hope you do a Black Card Plus. Even if it is nothing more than 100 day averages of 2.5x points for 1,000 pts/day, 3.0x points for 1,500/day average, 3.5x points for 2,000/day, etc.

As some have pointed out 1 tier doesn't seem like enough.

+1

+1

one-tier only is just for the masses.. comunism
pls cater (gradually) the volume players too.. capitalism

How do you get $300 for playing a week of rush poker?

Frankly, for a small stakes reg, heck, a small stakes cash game reg, this program hits the sweet spot. I could make a run at the 200K VPP milestone next year and make it, but I'd have to haul ass to hit the 300K milestone.

Probably: This + ordinary points + rakeback + iron man + iron man half-year bonuses + rake race and freeroll from rakeback provider > than 200K VPP milestone.

If nothing else, I'll finally have a way to get rid of my 6-figure FPP balance that doesn't involve overpriced TVs.




Also, if "black card customer service" is equal to or better than Stars support, then that would single-handedly alleviate one of the biggest problems with FT.