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08-18-2010 , 11:32 AM
I'll post this for a 3rd time and see if it gets a response this time.

I had the following happen to me a 2nd time so I know it wasn't a fluke.

I have auto post and wait for BB checked in the options. The bug occurs when the person who is supposed to be the BB is on my direct right and they sit out instead of posting their BB. Instead of auto posting the BB for me nothing happens and I time out meaning I have to wait another round to post.
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08-18-2010 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by THEOSU
Doug,

For what it's worth, I'm getting pretty annoyed by your late reg system for MTTs. When there are no more available seats, the next late reg gets to a new table, then the next 5(if six max) or 8 (if full ring) tables that end hands have their impending big blind move, so that the next five or eight players get moved into a spot between the blinds and have to wait a full orbit just to be dealt a hand. Why not wait 30 seconds or so after a new table opens for more players to late register and sit at that new table and then if it's not full, have players move from existing tables? Seems to me that it would be a lot less aggravating to everyone that way.
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Originally Posted by beatingyou
Not only this, but on a few occasions for various kinds of tournaments, not limited to super turbos, i'd get put in that spot and then once the blinds got to me get moved to a different table back to the button and have to wait a whole nother round. I can recall this happening more then once. I think one time I actually got moved twice before actually having the blinds come around so I could start seeing hands. Regiestering late + waiting 30 hands to play=not so good for short stack tournaments.
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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan
Tired of late reg'n for super turbo tourneys and getting put in between the button and having to wait til my BB to play. Is there any way to stop this for the super turbos? Why not put the new player UTG instead of in between the button maybe?
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
I had this happened to me. Now I wouldn't dare register for a super turbo late.
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08-18-2010 , 12:31 PM
+1 for vip program

and +1 for another rush promo to attract more pàpeople
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08-18-2010 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleFly
If anything, since I auto-top-up to 100bbs every hand, I wish I could auto-top-DOWN to 100bbs every hand. Since for me the whole point of rush is to play ONE hand with a new group of people every hand.
I agree. That would be in keeping with the spirit of Rush imo, which basically tore up the rule book for table dynamics. The guy you doubled up or doubled up through won't be sat with you for your next hand anyway. Should be feasible too, just change the parameters of auto top-up to auto adjust, & start every hand with our set preference for stack size. Any chance?
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08-18-2010 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by denks
Absolutely no idea at all, just been working as a senior software engineer for a while now. Know nothing at all about software development. So tell us, have you ever actually worked on a large software system? Where one minor change means you have to go through the hassle of setting up a separate branch, testing the branch, testing the branch when it is integrated back into trunk, getting it reviewed by someone else, end user testing, working out which release it will end up in production in etc etc etc. Not taking into account how painful this can be if you are dealing with some obscure legacy code which calls several libraries all written by different people, all who have left the company a while ago and remain undocumented. Then the bit about how new work must be signed off, have a business case approved, a developer must be pulled off something else to work on it so it must be viewed as a higher priority than the work the developer was doing previously, along with possible security review etc etc etc. On a large software system one can't just feel like coding something and rolling it into production no matter how trivial it appears at first. Have no feeling one way or the other as to how Doug is performing but it is laughable to suggest that in any commercial software system, especially one dealing with the exchange of money, that modifications are all trivial and any change is just a matter of pulling someone aside and getting them to code something in the production codebase and hey presto we push it out to the customers a few hours later.
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Being a software developer myself I can't help but laugh my ass off everytime I see someone post "it would only take 1 programmer 15 minutes to fix/change". I wish programming was that easy.
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08-18-2010 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
I reaally want to be able to see how many people are on the waiting list for a given table while also being able to see what players are sitting at that table (so just leaving the waiting list tab selected while browsing thru tables isn't an option). Come on, every decent poker site has had this for years and years and you just up and took it away.
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08-18-2010 , 02:54 PM
You absolutely can prevent ratholing at rush, and here's how. If it makes no sense, show it to one of your programmers, he'll understand.

A rush entry is just two numbers, a flag and a timestamp: the stack depth and the number of hands since playing the big blind, the flag says whether the player is playing that entry currently, the timestamp is when that entry was last played (used for ratholing timer).

(Extra request: don't ever expire that hands since big blind count! I'd like to come back days later and not be penalised by posting the big blind if I left immediately after posting it last time. Rush poker is the embodiment of "it's all one big session" and if there's no penalty for joining and leaving whenever we like it can become an even better fit for people with busy lives.)

(Extra extra request in case there's some crazy objection to the first: infinite or unreasonably long (12 hours or something) sit-out time allowance for rush. Don't count sat-out entries in the lobby statistics.)

When a player sits out of or closes a rush entry, that entry is flagged inactive and the timestamp is updated. Catch: whichever entry you try to close or sit out of, the entry that is marked inactive is ALWAYS the one with the most shallow stack out of all the active entries (at the end of the current hand in that entry). For the GUI, force a close of a different window or swap the entry associations.

When a player joins, his minimum buy-in is the greatest stack size of his inactive entries that have not timed out or the table minimum if they have all timed out. You must buy in before you can open another table. Rebuys are just to the normal table minimum and maximum.

With this, it is possible to rathole once and only once per player for an entire rush pool until he stops playing that rush limit entirely long enough for the timeout to be reached. It cannot be circumvented with sit out and it doesn't matter how many tables he plays.

Cliff notes: no option to sit out or leave a specific entry, only to reduce or increase your entries by one. Entries are always sorted deepest to shallowest.

Last edited by notreallymyname; 08-18-2010 at 03:03 PM.
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08-18-2010 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JustASpectator
Are you guys running Windows 2000? This update finally broke Win2K support. It would have been nice if that had been mentioned by Doug.
windows pro 2000, oh well back to stars, could be worse.
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08-18-2010 , 03:43 PM
There is a BB penalty(rat hole) in Rush for leaving and coming back in. /end
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08-18-2010 , 03:49 PM
There's a "BB penalty" at every table for leaving and coming back. You can wait a few hands after you post the BB in rush just like you can on every other table, it just requires keeping track manually.

That is not ratholing protection, it's just protection against joining a table and leaving without ever posting a blind (protection which is unnecessary for rush because of the player with most hands since last posting posts, every else random rule). Ratholing protection is ratholing protection.
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08-18-2010 , 04:00 PM
asking ftp to stop rush ratholing makes no sense!

imo, ratholing is seen as a bad behavior regarding to the other players from your table
(eg: non ethical to take some money, leave with them and join back with less money)

but in rush the concept of "other players from your table" is totally different or even non-existent..

q.e.d.
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08-18-2010 , 04:21 PM
Well I personally don't care if people keep coming back with 50bb but this is the solution if it's a genuine problem. I do want the big blind and sit out changes regardless though
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08-18-2010 , 04:45 PM
Since the new update the client is periodically freezing for me. Have mentioned this in the regs thread and it seems it is not an isolated issue as many others are experiencing the same thing.

Approximately every 15 mins the client will freeze up and Ill time out on all tables.
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08-18-2010 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JustASpectator
Are you guys running Windows 2000? This update finally broke Win2K support. It would have been nice if that had been mentioned by Doug.
I was gonna say they might have broken it accidently, since they break something that wasn't supposed to in every update, but these are the minimum requirements.

I wonder if it really runs on a Pentium 266 with 64mb RAM tho...
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08-18-2010 , 05:50 PM
While the shortstack infestation at the regular tables was a big nuisance, the "shortstack" ratholers at rush suck, they can't handle playing with 35BB. Let them stay
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08-18-2010 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Perfection
Since the new update the client is periodically freezing for me. Have mentioned this in the regs thread and it seems it is not an isolated issue as many others are experiencing the same thing.

Approximately every 15 mins the client will freeze up and Ill time out on all tables.
Same thing happened to me last night while playing. I can't even see any tables or tournaments listed today and have tried re-installing the client and everything. I'm about done with FTP and their shoddy software/support anyways.
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08-18-2010 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by notreallymyname
You absolutely can prevent ratholing at rush, and here's how. If it makes no sense, show it to one of your programmers, he'll understand.
I agree with you 100%, but your solution is probably overly restrictive.

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Cliff notes: no option to sit out or leave a specific entry, only to reduce or increase your entries by one.
Allowing players to "sit out or leave a specific entry" would only allow people to rathole 4 times per given time period, so I don't think these restrictions have much value compared to the functionality that is lost.

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Entries are always sorted deepest to shallowest.
It would be more permissive if the were sorted shallowest to deepest, and still prevent the multi-table ratholing.
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08-18-2010 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lien
asking ftp to stop rush ratholing makes no sense!

imo, ratholing is seen as a bad behavior regarding to the other players from your table
(eg: non ethical to take some money, leave with them and join back with less money)

but in rush the concept of "other players from your table" is totally different or even non-existent..

q.e.d.
The concept of "player pool" exists. And you are very likely to play (a lot of) hands with other players from the same player pool.

Removing money that is in play, while continuing to play in that same player pool is a parasitic behavior.

Also, Doug has said that the reason ratholing is allowed is because it would be difficult to stop while still allowing multiple entries to the same player pool. It is not a "feature" of rush, and I don't think it can be defended as one.
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08-18-2010 , 06:54 PM
There is absolutely no reason to sit out an entry other than the shallowest apart from ratholing.
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08-18-2010 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ktulu22
While the shortstack infestation at the regular tables was a big nuisance, the "shortstack" ratholers at rush suck, they can't handle playing with 35BB. Let them stay
Let them stay until enough of them figure out how to exploit their inherit strategic advantage, then ban them?
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08-18-2010 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by notreallymyname
There is absolutely no reason to sit out an entry other than the shallowest apart from ratholing.
If a player is 4-tabling and one of his entries gets so deep that he is uncomfortable playing. Should he be allowed to continue to play on the other 3 entries?

I think he should, but your solution does not allow it.

I think the solution should stop players from using ratholing as a strategic advantage, but otherwise be permissive as possible. I do think such a solution exists.
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08-18-2010 , 07:28 PM
+1 For please re-introduce the waitlist column (with amount of players in the waitlist). It was there before and I have no idea why it was removed.
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08-18-2010 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nielsio
+1 For please re-introduce the waitlist column (with amount of players in the waitlist). It was there before and I have no idea why it was removed.
This.

Cannot believe they removed this feature. It's so tilting having to click each table individually to see how long the waitlist is.
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08-18-2010 , 08:18 PM
There are some changes in the waiting list system: before we went to the top of list if I were playing for long time.
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08-18-2010 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by notreallymyname
I always hated the point conversion options but now there's a low skill low variance low time investment tournament option for all us cash game nits: super turbo matrix sngs.

Yes, it's a stupid format. A stupid format that's very easy to play robotically. Yes, they don't run often. If you all started playing them that would change. Maybe even fish would join, but if not do you really care? You still get to use your points without fuss.

Thanks for this idea, just started using my points to buy tickets to play these and they're easy to cash in and pretty fun to play too.
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