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Old 04-29-2009, 10:11 AM   #201
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A real cash game reg will take money from all comers.


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Cash game regs are such funny people. They want it all set up so they can just rape and pillage fish and donks as easy as possible. Poker is so darwinian. At least I learned something reading this thread - and that is, enter "deep" ring games at my own risk cause the regs are all there hanging out and salivating seeing a donk like me plop down into a seat... lol
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:20 AM   #202
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Keep the tables the way they are (right now) until you get the cash game filter in place. The people complaining are the real fish. Shorties expose the flaws in their suspect game. You have choices whiners: Play live, play deep tables only, or maybe learn how to beat each type of player. Any player can be exploited. There is no foolproof game or strategy out there.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:21 AM   #203
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You have the best quote of the day. They whine because their game sucks. They want FT to do what they can't do themselves. The shorties can be beat but no one wants to take the time to beat them. The worst case you give them 20bbs. They will leave and probably will be replaced by a Fullstack. Does your game suck so much that you can't make back 20bbs?

I like the way the tables are separated.

Work on improving your game and whining less.
shorties are easy to beat but they kill your WR. If your WR is the same against 20BB, 100BB and 200BB then you are not good at the game.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:22 AM   #204
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A real cash game reg will take money from all comers.
It's not that we can't beat them. Shorts stacks are all predictable easy money. The thing we hate the most is that we didn't win more money. LoL
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:41 AM   #205
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You have the best quote of the day. They whine because their game sucks. They want FT to do what they can't do themselves. The shorties can be beat but no one wants to take the time to beat them. The worst case you give them 20bbs. They will leave and probably will be replaced by a Fullstack. Does your game suck so much that you can't make back 20bbs?

I like the way the tables are separated.

Work on improving your game and whining less.
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Keep the tables the way they are (right now) until you get the cash game filter in place. The people complaining are the real fish. Shorties expose the flaws in their suspect game. You have choices whiners: Play live, play deep tables only, or maybe learn how to beat each type of player. Any player can be exploited. There is no foolproof game or strategy out there.
Why am I not surprised that most of your other posts are in the micro forum? You don't play against good shortstackers. Good shortstackers can use a strategy that is close to unexploitable and with the rake pretty much unbeatable. And if you do concentrate on beating them, or taking away their edge, you lose your edge against the deepstacked fish. Please come back when you know what you're talking about.

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shorties are easy to beat but they kill your WR. If your WR is the same against 20BB, 100BB and 200BB then you are not good at the game.
Nope, they are not easy to beat and I'd be surprised if you could show a positive winrate after rake against a good shortstacker.

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It's not that we can't beat them. Shorts stacks are all predictable easy money. The thing we hate the most is that we didn't win more money. LoL
Nope again, the thing most people hate is that they play a close to unexploitable strategy and even trying to beat that strategy only involves making marginal preflop calls, not actual multi-street strategy.

It's funny seeing micro players who probably have yet to see a professional shortstacker comment on shortstacks. Keep in mind Stars doesn't have 50 BB tables at 25nl and below I believe. The reason is there's no shortstack problem because there are no good shortstacks that would waste their time playing 25nl. They're either nits who don't understand how to shortstack properly or just fish on their last few bucks. Either way they probably lose even before rake so it's an edge for everyone at the table. But when a pro shortstacker is at your table, it is simply very annoying to play. When there are 3+ at a 9-man table it's basically unplayable because I may as well have 20 BBs myself and if I wanted to play push/fold poker I'd go register in some turbos.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:46 AM   #206
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lol at all the 25nl pro's waving their dicks around
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:46 AM   #207
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fix the deep tables. At least put all games at a specific limit in the same list. Or better yet put the deep tables on top to make it up to all your regulars.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:50 AM   #208
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Or better yet put the deep tables on top to make it up to all your regulars.
Please no, just mix them in like before.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:51 AM   #209
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Why am I not surprised that most of your other posts are in the micro forum? You don't play against good shortstackers. Good shortstackers can use a strategy that is close to unexploitable and with the rake pretty much unbeatable. And if you do concentrate on beating them, or taking away their edge, you lose your edge against the deepstacked fish. Please come back when you know what you're talking about.



Nope, they are not easy to beat and I'd be surprised if you could show a positive winrate after rake against a good shortstacker.



Nope again, the thing most people hate is that they play a close to unexploitable strategy and even trying to beat that strategy only involves making marginal preflop calls, not actual multi-street strategy.

It's funny seeing micro players who probably have yet to see a professional shortstacker comment on shortstacks. Keep in mind Stars doesn't have 50 BB tables at 25nl and below I believe. The reason is there's no shortstack problem because there are no good shortstacks that would waste their time playing 25nl. They're either nits who don't understand how to shortstack properly or just fish on their last few bucks. Either way they probably lose even before rake so it's an edge for everyone at the table. But when a pro shortstacker is at your table, it is simply very annoying to play. When there are 3+ at a 9-man table it's basically unplayable because I may as well have 20 BBs myself and if I wanted to play push/fold poker I'd go register in some turbos.
I was commenting on my own experience, I've only run into 1 good SS in 500K hands at the micros. The SS at uNL are annoying and they kill the game.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:51 AM   #210
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You have the best quote of the day. They whine because their game sucks. They want FT to do what they can't do themselves. The shorties can be beat but no one wants to take the time to beat them. The worst case you give them 20bbs. They will leave and probably will be replaced by a Fullstack. Does your game suck so much that you can't make back 20bbs?

I like the way the tables are separated.

Work on improving your game and whining less.


HEY MORON, the SSers can not be beat, the good ones at least. they are exploiting how the full stacks are playing vs other full stacks. you can do things to limit their winrate even down to the bare minimum but in doing so u will also end up lowering ur own winrate as u arent able to fully exploit some of the other full stacks. not to mention if everyone else at the tbl isnt adjusting to them then what ur doing wont make that much difference.

try having some idea what ur talking about before u post. now enough w/ this morons hijack and back to the topic at hand....

FIX THE DEEP TBLS ALREADY!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:00 AM   #211
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lol at all the 25nl pro's waving their dicks around
+1000

These donks probably grind out 1.5bb/100 at 25NL and think they're god's gift to poker.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:03 AM   #212
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shortstacks abound this morning. please address it here doug. please fix, just go back to the way it was. i'm taking the next 2 days off because of this.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:08 AM   #213
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Please put the deep stack tables back where hey where, or better yet, replace them with the old deep stack tables of .15/30.

This is the 2nd time in a row you have f'd up the deep stack tables.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:15 AM   #214
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You have the best quote of the day. They whine because their game sucks. They want FT to do what they can't do themselves. The shorties can be beat but no one wants to take the time to beat them. The worst case you give them 20bbs. They will leave and probably will be replaced by a Fullstack. Does your game suck so much that you can't make back 20bbs?

I like the way the tables are separated.

Work on improving your game and whining less.

lol don't tell him to step up his game when its you that suck. You are clearly the fish here. top tier shortstackers can't be beat.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:22 AM   #215
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Keep the tables the way they are.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:30 AM   #216
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lol don't tell him to step up his game when its you that suck. You are clearly the fish here. top tier shortstackers can't be beat.
Then just friggin quit if they can't be beat. You just made my point for me. Since they can't be beat (by your standard), You want FT to assist YOU in avoiding players YOU can't beat. WAAAHH please mix the deep and normal tables back together. They should be separate so ALL players can make a decision on where they want to play. It saves time for everybody the way it is now.

Do u wonder why Doyle B. is still at the top of his game after many years of playing? He learned how to adjust to different conditions and players. He plays against the best players. He is not whining about his winrate.

Learn how to friggin read and comprehend before posting
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:33 AM   #217
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Then just friggin quit if they can't be beat. You just made my point for me. Since they can't be beat (by your standard). You want FT to assist YOU in avoiding players YOU can't beat. WAAAHH please mix the deep and normal tables back together. They should be separate so ALL players can make a decision on where they want to play. It saves time for everybody the way it is now.

Do u wonder why Doyle B. is still at the top of his game after many years of playing? He learned how to adjust to different conditions and players. He plays against the best players. He is not whining about his winrate.

Learn how to friggin read and comprehend before posting
u cant possibly be a winning full stacker at 200nl or above. 20bb poker is not poker either.
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Learn how to friggin read and comprehend before posting
dwalker; you need to take your own advice, as you clearly have no idea how far out of your depth you are in this thread.

I strongly suggest that you apply a stop-loss at this point and quit posting.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:57 AM   #219
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Doyle B. is still at the top of his game after many years of playing?
HU 4 ROLLZ?
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:11 PM   #220
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I think i found the bug with the tournament summaries, for ex: if you play a sng and you close the lobby after you finish the sng the tournament summary is written correctly to your hard drive
now if the lobby close by itself after a few minutes, no tournament summary is written
(at least this happend in the superturbos)
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:13 PM   #221
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Then just friggin quit if they can't be beat. You just made my point for me. Since they can't be beat (by your standard), You want FT to assist YOU in avoiding players YOU can't beat. WAAAHH please mix the deep and normal tables back together. They should be separate so ALL players can make a decision on where they want to play. It saves time for everybody the way it is now.

Do u wonder why Doyle B. is still at the top of his game after many years of playing? He learned how to adjust to different conditions and players. He plays against the best players. He is not whining about his winrate.

Learn how to friggin read and comprehend before posting
Shut up fish lol. If you've never played at a table half fulled of competent shortstackers stop embarrassing your self. I never whined about my winrate and I have no reason to. My last 1million hands at 600NL&400NL I've been running at 3pt/bb. In my humble opinion that's crushing midstakes. I'm good enough to judge wether shortstackers can be beat or not. Tho I'm sure i'll still be able to profit in table half full of SS, i am certain i won't be able to maintain the same winrate. This is one of the million reasons good poker players don't like pro shortstackers.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:34 PM   #222
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The following is a post from another thread.



I think noone in this thread brought up the following point.

PTR is now offering full tilt rakeback deals. Not only full tilt poker aren't doing anything to stop ptr from massively hand mining, but they are tolerating them as business partners. If they are even mildly serious about pretending they plan on stopping PTR 1st thing they should do is terminate their affiliate account.

How can you have an affiliate that encourages (and benefits from) anti-tos activities?
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:34 PM   #223
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FT knows it business. Hopefully they don't listen to this moving the deep tables nonsense. You can play on FT or move to another site to avoid the Pro Shortstackers and other players you cannot beat.

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dwalker; you need to take your own advice, as you clearly have no idea how far out of your depth you are in this thread.

I strongly suggest that you apply a stop-loss at this point and quit posting.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:42 PM   #224
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FT knows it business. Hopefully they don't listen to this moving the deep tables nonsense. You can play on FT or move to another site to avoid the Pro Shortstackers and other players you cannot beat.
lol u are just a trolling microstakes ******
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Shut up fish lol. If you've never played at a table half fulled of competent shortstackers stop embarrassing your self. I never whined about my winrate and I have no reason to. My last 1million hands at 600NL&400NL I've been running at 3pt/bb. In my humble opinion that's crushing midstakes. I'm good enough to judge wether shortstackers can be beat or not. Tho I'm sure i'll still be able to profit in table half full of SS, i am certain i won't be able to maintain the same winrate. This is one of the million reasons good poker players don't like pro shortstackers.
Hey calm down hollering dog. My main point i (and read it closely) Don't ask a site to do what you can't do yourself. The main point is FT should move the deep tables to the top or mix them along the normal tables. I can understand moving to the top. Mixing them in with the regular tables was dumb. A site should make it easy to let players find the stakes and type of game they want. Mixing in games and types just confuses things.

While you are at it just ask for a seperate column for deep tables highlighted in ORANGE or PURPLE. That way all the fish would want to play on them. Friggin Priceless.

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