Hello dear poker players!
We are a group of activists who are just unhappy about the situation that played out with Adameve poker, but we are also ready for actions to get out of this situation. Let's start with the situation description:
The Revolution network hasn't been paying debts to Adameve Poker for a long time now, and Adameve Poker refuses to pay money to their players because of that.
But the network hasn't been paying since October based on the statement of room representatives:
Adamevepoker_Eugene 19.3.2013, 13:53
"The network started being late with payments even last year, and the last debt in our case is continuing since October."
GipsyTeam forum
And the players learned about it only in March, specifically from this message. More than that, right before informing the players about it, the room actively offered very profitable reload bonuses, knowing that it will close in a week. This is total scam.
Feb 19 350% up to USD 350
March 11 400% up to USD 800
March 19 500% up to USD 1,000
March 25 500% up to USD 1,000
And very recently even more interesting offer came up:
July 15 7000% bonus
While the reload bonuses grew, many players were not paid any money any more from the beginning of March, and some were not paid since February.
Even after the website wrote about the problems on forums (this only happened after multiple complaints for withdrawal delays), there was not a word on the room site about the fact that the withdrawals were delayed, and it still said that the payments were made not later than in four days. "Usual withdrawal takes up to 1-3 business days. Large cashouts starting from $5k+ can take up to 7 business days." Which is direct deception of players.
On March 26 there came a message that starting from April 1 the room will stop functioning.
"Dear AdamevePoker players,
Due to the latest events and difficulties that our poker room has faced, we are forced to stop the deposits to save the monetary funds of our players. Starting from April 1 AdamevePoker poker client will stop functioning, only restarting its work after paying off the full amount of balances. This decision was made by the upper AdamevePoker management to prevent fund movements among players and to ensure their soon return.
It's important to note that we are not stopping our activity. While the poker client is off, our online casino and other products will continue working. The players who haven't applied for the money withdrawal before the poker client has been closed, will be able to do that through the casino site.
We are sincerely sorry about the circumstances that took place and we hope for your understanding."
Also, for unknown reasons, the rakeback for the last week of playing hasn't been distributed to players. This is definitely not related to any network delays and is another case of fraud.
AdamevePoker 30.3.2013, 16:30
"Rakeback and other transfers haven't been made due to the fact that we are not able to do that. We don't have the technical capability to process them any more. We are planning to pay back all player money within 2-3 months."
GipsyTeam Forum
Then the following message was published:
AntonZhilin 13.5.2013, 23:38
" As I have promised, I am sharing with you any information that I get from Adameve upper management. The preliminary date to start step-by-step withdrawal of frozen player funds was set for November 1, 2013. The balances will be paid back in parts weekly. The detailed withdrawal schedule will be set with each player individually. I would like to ask everyone to note that the schedule will directly depend on the debt repayment schedule, that the network will pay back to Adameve. In case there are delays with repayments from the network, there will also be delays with repayments from Adameve, because both processes are inter-related.
At this stage, in order to avoid further escalation of the situation, irrespectable of the fact whether Adameve will get its debt back from the network or not, Adameve is ready to meet the needs of its players and partners. All players who do not want to wait for receiving their balance back for too long, taking into account all the risks of this situation (we want to specifically note that at this point the network is working with us very actively on this issue), we offer them to sell their bankrolls for $0.50 for each $1 of funds on the account."
The letters stated the dates of repayments on condition of buying bankrolls for 50%, but the dates were broken many times over. And despite that the players received the same 50%. Some have still not received anything.
There were cases when the players who purchased the balances for 50% and complained for delays received the following letters:
"Unfortunately we cannot provide you with exact date, please be patient. We will kindly inform you about new terms and conditions of your payouts as soon as we receive information.
Given the current situation, when our poker network is not paying out their debts and is not providing us with a payment plan, we had a conversation with gambling authorities."
Based on this letter the room directly confirms that buying the funds for 50% is done on the funds received from the network. This way the room has openly scammed the players again. We are ready to provide the full correspondence log.
As we have learned later on, the playing commission obliged the room to pay back to players the difference in deposits and cashouts, in case those were positive. Obviously, the players were not informed about it. It's much more profitable to buy their balances for 50% for the same money. This is the culmination of deceptive actions from the room.
Those players, who knew about it, were asked to stay silent being promised faster repayments. There were also cases when after the withdrawal the players were asked to delete the unhappy or compromising forum posts.
Then there were very open and sincere cases of scamming:
The player with the difference in deposits and repayments at +10450 sold the balance of 41800 for 50%. He got paid only 10000, and 20000 was written off the account. The player obviously was not notified about that, that he could make a withdrawal demand for 10450 at 100% without waiting for the repayments from the network. Then, when the player demanded to get his deposits back, that 10000 was accounted for like regular cashout and the difference was made as +450. The 10000 was paid back during the very first week. And the room promised to pay back 450 by August 19th. Wouldn't that be related to the fact that the room also made 10000 on the withdrawal of 1000, and that it will not make anything on the withdrawal of 450? I would also like to note that the promise to pay back 450 came only after the threatening letters and promises to move to actions.
We have the information on various similar cases, a lot of correspondence logs and other proofs. I have written 4 pages worth in Microsoft Word anyway. We are planning to continue the activity till the issue is fully resolved. Our tentative plan of actions:
1) Demand that the whole Adameve brand loses the license based on the violations
2) Ask for help from various player organizations like ecogra
3) Fully cover the situation and gather activists from all Russian and English speaking player groups.
4) Hire an international lawyer who will help to figure out the situation
5) Write a statement about the scam to police and a statement about the scam to the Justice Ministry of Latvia and the Unites States of America
We ask activists to join us (just write your skype in here and we will add you). We are asking people with any information, proofs of scam and fraud cases, violation of rules and laws to sign under here as well. We will also be happy to get any advice from people who are knowledgeable in this issue.
