http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...idation-4.html

In this thread linked above;

I also scoured the LGA and was unable to find Betonbet's or Eurolinx cancelled or suspended license. They do not appear to be currently licensed. I know when all of the mess that got Eurolinx decertified here Jo Remme offered for any mod at 2+2 to visit Malta to tour the facilities on them. It would seem impossible that they would openly operate in Malta without a license wouldn't it? Maybe I just can't find it.

and

Whoa! More shocking revelations regarding the operations of this outfit and its management.

"If it is true that Jo Remme and his colleagues were operating without a licence whilst telling players that they were licensed, it would probably amount to criminal fraud and be actionable against the individuals concerned."

and

I'm told that Remme has claimed his licensing is (was) as follows:

Eurolinx poker licensed in Curacao

Betonbet licensed in Malta

Linx Casino licensed in KGC.

If this is true, the only charitable explanation for the lack of information reported by PA and Wang I can think of is that the registrations may have been done under the name of another group company.

It has to be either that, or blatant and fraudulent falsehoods?

Then we have to bring microgaming to court to let criminals be active on there network.
They are responsable for the quality of ther network so they have to check there own clients!!

So Microgaming can allow any fraudsters it wants to join the game and wash its hands when things go bad ?

Surely they have some responsibility for the skins on their network ?

If the money is so easily lost are they (Microgaming) not negligent ?

Has anyone contacted Ladbrokes - they really cannot like being linked with multiple fraud.

GL to all those with money tied up

Mail from Ecogra. This is the so-called entity the ensures fair-doing by MG operators:

Edmuntus,

We only offer dispute mediation and assurances relating those online gaming operations that have undergone extensive annual onsite assessments by our auditors, are fully compliant with our eGAP standards, and have been awarded our Safe and Fair Seal after due consideration by our Seals Compliance Committee. Eurolinx has never applied for, or been awarded, our seal and therefore we are not in a position be become involved in this matter.

Regards

Andrew Beveridge





From: xxx
Sent: 23 August 2009 05:28 PM
To: info@ecogra.com
Subject: Eurolinx
Importance: High



Hi,

I noticed on your site you mediate between players and gambling rooms when there is a dispute. Undoubtedely you are aware of the Eurolinx liquidation. Eurolinx is a MicroGaming skin. On their site it reads:

"As e-commerce and online gaming continue to expand, regulation and assurance are vital. That's why we co-founded eCOGRA: e-Commerce and Online Gaming Regulation and Assurance. Based in the UK, this independent, non-profit organisation ensures operators act responsibly, treat players fairly and ensure winnings are paid out on time. You can find out more at www.ecogra.org".

Eurolinx isunder liquidation. How is this possible when you ensure the operator acts responsibly? Why was there no advance warning, while, in hindsight, it seemed obvious they could not pay out players, while they continued advertising for players to deposit and hunt for bonusses. Just wondering why you did not respond... Does your organisation actively do anything tangible or is it a facade that gives players the illusion their money is safe on the MicroGaming network?

...

How am I ever going to get my money back and what are you going to do?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Me


In other words: MicroGaming makes it appear every skin on their site is safe, by posting the statement. However, no skin has to cooperate with the "controle-organisation". It is voluntary and therefor a means to create a false feeling your money is safe on MG. If your MG-skin is not listed on the ecogra site I would advice you to get your money off asap.

Beats me how this guy stays alive. If I steal 1K from my neighbour, i'll end up getting shot. This guy steals into the millions multiple times and is still walking around, enjoying the money from everyone he scammed

Ya I tried awhile back emailing them as well;

Dear XXXXXX,

I appreciate the effort you have made to contact eCOGRA and explain your predicament.

eCOGRA perform the “Data Reviews” for Eurolinx Poker only, in order to become an eCOGRA Approved site they would need to apply for a full eCOGRA review and meet all of the requirements as set out in our eGAP document (www.ecogra.org/egap).

The certificates available on the Eurolinx site state the following:

“This verification certificate relates solely to the transactional gaming data obtained by eCOGRA for Eurolinx Poker during the period stated above.

eCOGRA has not carried out any further or general review on the operations of Eurolinx Poker . Nothing in this certificate implies that the gaming operations have been approved by eCOGRA, nor compliance with the procedures and policies of eGAP, nor that the site is an accredited holder of the eCOGRA Seal.”

If you require any assistance that relates to the data at Eurolinx Poker, or with any of the eCOGRA Approved sites (a full list of all the approved sites can be viewed at www.ecogra.org/approved), please do not hesitate to contact me.

As Eurolinx Poker is not an eCOGRA Approved Site, you may wish to contact the jurisdiction where the site is licensed (this information should be available on the site) or one of the Watchdog sites like Casinomeister (www.casinomeister.com).

Kind Regards,

Tex

Tex Rees
Fair Gaming Advocate
eCOGRA Limited
tex@ecogra.org
http://www.ecogra.org

This guys didn't answer any of my mails 1 moth ago and now after Eurolinx fall down they put on their website they don't license Eurolinx? WTF?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Malta poker operator switches to Microgaming

Malta-based poker operator Eurolinx went live on Microgaming this week, having previously been on the Tain network.

Eurolinx said it consulted some of its key players about which network they felt would be the most appropriate for them, which played a part in the company choosing to go with the Isle of Man-based software firm. Chief executive Jo Remme said Microgaming’s tournament structure, liquidity and the fact that it gives licensees 100% ownership of their players company’s mind up.

“We are extremely pleased with the process and being able to go live within the tight time constraints,” Remme said. Roger Raatgever, chief executive of Microgaming, said: “We are particularly pleased to hear that player feedback played a part in this decision, since it is both the operators and the players that ultimately benefit.”


Posted: 19/01/2007

Same here, I emailed them on Aug 4 and NOW they state this, such BS!

Just an interesting piece of information. BetOnBet has a licence with the Maltese LGA. Here are the terms and conditions of the legislation:

http://www.lga.org.mt/common/file_pr...30000&ext=.pdf

The important point is this one.....40(1) A licencee shall keep players funds seperately from the licencees own funds in a Clients Account held with a credit institution approved by the Authority.

Now this means one of two things:

1. BetOnBet player funds are safe somewhere (rather hopefull i suppose)

or

2. Someone is going to face criminal charges for breaking this licence (more likely)

Anyway thats just a piece of information i wish to share.

Malta is also European Union so that must help also.

lol like ecogra seals make any difference - Arctic and some other Tusk sites did have had an eCogra seals and MG pulled the 'seals' on the quiet a few days before Tusk went down (they had advance warning that they were about to pull the network on the Tusk sites of course). No time for the players to get any money out even if they somehow found out about it.

A licensor that actually cared about player protection would make sure that:
a) its licensees were regulated (and stayed regulated) by proper jurisdictions (Malta, Gibraltar and the IOM are the best regulated of the offshore jurisdictions as they actually have functioning, accessible and non-corrupt judiciaries);
b) its licensees were fit and proper persons;
c) its licensees were properly capitalised; and
d) player funds are held in separate trust accounts at all times (and so are ringfenced from other creditors/liquidators greedy hands if something does go wrong).

Microgaming as a licensor manages an epic fail on all the above.

I edited the MG wikipedia page last time - anyone feel up to doing it now?

Well some of the imformation coming out seems a little bit more hopeful and helpful and maybe some player funds are held somewhere or maybe a financial firm is liable for this money. If not and if im gonna lose my money forever (which i do guess is the most likely) i want to see these scam artists brought to justice in either Malta or the EU.

If anyone wishes to contact me on any of this i am looking to see what can be done in order to bring all this to a conclusion one way or another. If people want to get a player group together to make the next steps i am more than interested in seeing what can be done.

This is what I was talking about. If they really had a license in Malta it would be like this. Malta is not Curacao or some banana country. I hope you guys the best!

Found this from post from the Tusk thread and found it interesting about segregated and trust accounts.
I am not a banker or a lawyer and not sure if poster below is correct or not
If this was the case with Tusk it may have some relevance In the El case

That is the whole point they DO have a licence in Malta. They are being investigated by the LGA Malta as this licence is valid.

Anyway thanks for the kind words Peoplez.

He knows who to scam. The poker players that have the money to hire an international hitman aren't gonna risk it for revenge over stolen $250k.

Hell, we, as a group, cannot even hire a lawyer to make his life a bit more tough, let alone a hitman.

New story just in on Jo Remme at hegnar.no (in norwegian):

http://www.hegnar.no/okonomi/article389321.ece

Ty but I can't understand more then a hand full of words lol

the story translated:

Pyramid-Norwegian central in poker collapse

The pyramid scheme was revealed in 2004. Now the man behind it is involved in new controverses.

Eurolinx and Betonbet has been dissolved, after Linx media group, which owned the two sites tried to discontinue activities friday.

Norwegian Jo Arild Remme was listed as CEO of the company Eurolinx, and the former profiled pyramid leader is now again central in controversial businesses

Ows millions?
Individuals could have as much as 140k$ locked up in player accounts on Eurolinx. How the two companies ended up in such a difficult financial situation is unknown.

One of, if not the most important guy, is called Jo Arild Remme, it says on a casino-watchdog-forum. He has been in "problems" before with pyramid schemes and other projects falling apart.

Hegnar online has not been successful in getting into contact with Remme after continuously trying

Another story in norwegian at:
http://www.dn.no/forsiden/naringsliv/article1728009.ece

Basically same as the last one but it also makes a point of the fact that Eurolinx was offering huge bonuses to players who deposited money right up until the company was declared bankrupt.

Seems like stories are popping up everywhere now.

http://www.hegnar.no/okonomi/article389321.ece

the guy in that picture is NOT Jo Remme.

No thats Marc _myst_ Karam. sponsored by Eurolinx and "was" as friend of Jo Remme. He also had money there www.jackseven.ca

I played PLO against him a few times.

The guy in the pic is Marc Karam an ex Eurolinx player, who probably lost a huge % of his bankroll, just like you guys.

There is a lot of speculation, opinions and gossip going around right now, so don't beleive everything you read.

For all the players who had a bankroll at Eurolinx/ BetOnBet- you might as well kiss it goodbye. Most you will get back is a small % in some years time.

I don't have accounts with these guys so haven't been following this thread, but somebody with an interest needs to phone the Curacao licencing authority (I gather they don't reply to emails) and find out if they were EVER licenced by them. If MGS licenced their software to them without doing a background check then that's pretty huge in my opinion. If MGS are saying that they don't need a licence to operate then it can only mean that MGS think that their Malta-based class 4 licence covers it and this could have ramifcations on the tusk issue too (although the Malta LGA site seems to say that the licencees must have their own licences).