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04-08-2008, 07:55 AM #143

Re: Eurolinx refuses to pay me my $145,000!
I just wanted to note for the record that my numerous dealings with Eurolinx staff and management have been both professional and classy. I personally have a large sum of money on the poker site and feel it's as secure as my holdings on Full Tilt and Poker Stars.

I don't doubt the details from the original post. Obviously such advances are not commonplace, but I have heard of them occuring before in the industry. I don't know why the wire was not immediately paid, but the OP had a choice to accept or not accept the credit to his account. He could have said, "no thank you, I'll fly to Vegas for the weekend. Let me know when the wire has been processed."

I think that in this case, Eurolinx -- unsure of your actual character and persona -- is nervous that if they wire you $145,000 you'll simply walk, leaving them out nearly $250,000. Whereas right now, they're only out the $100,000 credit.

My personal belief is that you should pay what you owe. Whether or not the games have a negative expectation, or they wanted to encourage you to stay, you made your own decisions in this case, and as such should account for them. I've had experiences where I had to wait 4-6 weeks for checks from poker sites. I could have cancelled them and had the money refunded to my account, but I made sure to play within the bankroll displayed in my cashier.

Though you certainly have just cause to feel misled, you cannot dispute that you owe them money. I would pay, and, if still unhappy, not patronize them again. You will always be able to gamble somewhere.

Ezra

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LOL, the guy just lost a quarter of million dollars. You are such an idiot.

The guy's just lost $250k and your post added nothing to the discussion. Asking why people had their whole roll (or so much money) on the site doesn't help at all, especially when they've been trying to withdraw for months. How did you expect people to react? If you've nothing constructive to add I suggest you don't post in this thread.

FWIW, I had no money on Eurolinx but best of luck to those who did. I hope you get your money back, however unlikely it seems.

^^^ lol steel beat me to it, and said it much more succintly

this comes from 4flush:

Microgaming spokespersons have advised online casino players, online poker players, and sports betters and all others contractually owed monies by the above companies (such as poker and casino affiliates) to submit inquiries to the liquidator once those details become available,

As of now however, there's no liquidation representative details available, players with balances of thousands of dollars are forced to simply sit and wait without any idea of when the wait will be over.

Although Microgaming has asked players to contact the liquidator directly, online poker news website PND has provided their contact telephone number for players looking for updates and further information. Microgaming, located in the Isle of Man can be reached at +44 (0)1624 647777

Some high stakes poker players have reported possible losses in excess of $250,000.00 each.

after being a limit/mtt player for 2 yrs. I played 100k hands of cash at stars and i broke even.
then i played my next 200k hands on EL.

....i ended up getting 5k of my final 9k out last week through my affiliates pressure.
anyhow EL was way to soft not to play there and take some risk, sorry for those of you who left TOO muh online

It seems like alot of big US players lost money here so I think this tread will get alot of reaction. I suggest you get incontact with casino mister and all the affiliate forums to completely blacklist any site that uses microgaming software. There are 100's of casinos that use there software if you give them a bad name you really hurt there business. And people asking weather Ladbrokes, Unibet are safe they may be but you should just blacklist them to for using the software.

What happened to us almost 2 years ago showed that these guys are complete scum and im sorry to say that you guys will be waiting a long time for your money if you get any it looks like they were broke and microgaming have shown that they dont step in and help out.

This needs to be a death knell for Microgaming and we need to find a way to make it happen. Mobilize.

This is a company that skims money from poker and provides products that lure players to skins which Microgaming tacitly endorses, yet takes no fiduciary responsibility or oversight. It breeds dishonesty, schemes, and scams. Microgaming knows and understands this. It has to stop. Either they fully become a poker room and accept all responsibilities or they need to put out of business.

LADBROKES, this is a shout out to you to move your business and not be associated with Microgaming. It is not good for poker.

Anyone have any ideas how we can sink the Microgaming ship and prevent this from happening to other players?

I want them put down like the mangy dog they are.

u could pay someone 2 cents an hour in china to spam their tables with links to this thread.

i was also thinking maybe somewhere down the road, people that dont have tons of money locked up in this could pool resources for representation, as opposed to us all having to fend for ourselves

Where did all the money go? This has to be investigated. Using players funds is nothing but a scam....We are talking very large sums of money. The money is obviously somewhere. As you say, affected players should join together, hire laywers and investigate this.

Email your affiliates that you frequent. I've already told mine I won't do business with them as long as they promote Microgamming on their site.

Ladbrokes is safer than tilt or stars. Why? The poker wing is a tiny % of their business and they have a reputation which is worth untold amounts more than a few million $. SUGGEST they move off microgaming to them, but don't start throwing poo because that just undermines our creditability as outraged victims.

well looks like I'm out about 150k, anybody have liquidator contact information? I haven't seen any mention in these threads about what people who lost a substantial amount should be doing at this point. Do we just sit on our hands and wait for somebody to contact us?

I disagree. I have nothing against Ladbrokes. I lived in the UK for three years and they are a solid company. But that does not mean they should get a free pass for supporting and utilizing a company that has proven themselves to be a parasite on online poker and whose skins are a breeding ground for scams. I hope Ladbrokes becomes a top site and does very well. They just need to understand that if we are successful, their business will suffer for partnering with MGS.

As well it should.

There is nothing wrong with putting pressure on a company to do the right thing.

I lost a ton of money, we are basically screwed think about it, we couldn't get them to pay us our money when they were running a business, its unlikely they will be rushing to pay us now that they have dissolved.

yeah I'm not holding out a lot of hope that I'm going to get a lot back. But it seems like I should be letting the liquidators know that I'm owed a bunch of money.

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/euroli...quidated-4385/

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/euroli...quidated-4385/

I agree 100%. But there are 2 ways of doing it.

One way of applying pressure is a mass voice of concern done reasonably and sensibly. The other is lying about Ladbrokes safety, hiring Chinese spammer bots, etc etc etc.

I doubt we have to do much to convince ladbrokes after this.

the best way of going about it is to withdraw your money from ladbrokes / unibet and after doing so send them an email sayin that the 2 scandals make it unbearable to play there...

this will either lead to them putting pressure on MGS to right the situation or they will move to a network where we can put our faith in those sites again...

Exactly, MG isn't helping, we as players have to do all the work ourselves, that is total BS, you allow the site to operate under your Network and they go belly up then not comment or help the players one bit is f-ing ridiculous. If people stop giving them business they might help.

In theory this could work but I doubt it. Most players aren't aware of what has happened at El. Posters 2+2 are just a small % of overall poker players, I just don't see any mass exodus of players from other MG skins over just this issue, many players simply will never know or don't care about EL going under.