1. pool some money
2. hire russian mafia to have a chat with remme
3. ???
4. profit

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...TermsCons.aspx

Hi,

I am a very active play, who during the last couple of years has raked alot at BetOnBet and have now lost around $70.000. I am very concerned about this, and I think that we should persue common leagal means against BetOnBet. If you are currently living in Sweden/Europe and want to together press charges against BetOnBet, I think we can have a greater chance if we process together.

I think the people who lost alot of money might be interested in joining in a leagal process. So if you are a highraking player, please organize. If anyone knows of a good lawyer, who is willing to organize a big case against them, please let me know.

I do not have any leagal knowledge or really much knowledge of this matter at all, but my feeling is that if we organize we have a greater chance of sucess.

My email is novac_@hotmail.com and I am living in Sweden.

Regards,
givmild

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DISCLAIMER: NOT LEGAL ADVICE. INFO ONLY.

There is a choice of law clause that states "Any legal dispute regarding a transaction in conjunction with a Gaming Account that cannot be solved by the Company Rules, including, but not limited to the rights of the Company, at its own discretion, at all times, to resolve any disputes, in accordance with principles of equity, shall be settled in accordance with the Governing Law of Curacao."

There is no forum selection clause in the T&C. For those that don't know, a forum selection clause differs from a choice of law clause. The choice of law clause dictates whose law will govern the dispute (here, it says Curacao) whereas a forum selection clause dictates where you can bring the suit (some contracts state the you can only arbitrate or bring suit in state X or country X). There is no forum selection clause with Eurlolinx.

So, based on my little research, I'd say that U.S. jurisdiction is pretty much ensured. The question then will be whether the U.S. Court will apply Curacaon law or U.S. law. And as I stated before, there is also an issue of enforceability of any judgment.

If anybody has any knowledge of the laws of Curacao, please post itt. Even if you don't have that knowledge but do have some time, google it and post what you can itt and I'll try yo glance at it to see if it is useful. If there is no legal recourse under their laws, there is a much better chance that a U.S. Court would apply U.S. law (issues of equity, justice, and interests in protecting citizens play a large role on these choice of law issues.

Not directly related to the latest posts but I had confirmation from Microgmaing about the Eurolinx license:

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Thank you for your e-mail.

Microgaming has a copy of a valid Gaming licence issued by C.I.L CURACAO INTERACTIVE LICENSING N.V to Eurolinx International N.V. and has confirmed that this licence had not been revoked as at Friday 21 August.

Regards,

Microgaming

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Hi Givmild.

You may recognised my name as my screenname on BetOnBet and i am 100% with you on this issue. I lost close to $30k when BetOnBet went down last Friday. I am more than willing if and when it is organised to be part of some kind of action against the company and its owners. Feel free to PM me about anything that is going to happen and who is involved (Im sure Jokotokolino would be interested).

Im from the UK by the way.

Have you submitted your claim to the LGA Malta yet? Thats something i would do for starters.

something is very shady about that...

I am saying that, because after a lot of "private investigation" I got to know that their license holder is C.I.L CURACAO INTERACTIVE LICENSING N.V., but as weird as it is it was just impossible to find any e-mail or telephone related to this license holder.

I only managed to find some other very little known online casinos, sportbetting companies and poker sites whose "license holder" is also this so called C.I.L. I wrote to all of these sites only asking them to provide me any e-mail or phone to C.I.L > no response from any of them.

Then I wrote to the two license holder in Curacao that one can find on the net and from one of them I got a very short and strange reply that I need to contact http://www.hbmgroup.com/index.html. I wrote to this company (HBM), as to the license holder (starting with Dear License Holder), they replied but in their answer they didnt tell me that they are in fact the license holder, but they did not deny it either, and that was clear after that that they indeed have connection to EL.

IMO all this indicates that the "license" that EL had was NOT a valid license. If I am right with that I think maybe we can even try to sue MG, because they did not check the license of EL a proper way as they were supposed to.

fds what do you think about that?

Sorry for being out of line, but weren't you account sharing givmild? 2 or 3 guys playing under givmild @ Prima so you place top3 every race? 70K in your account despite the fact you only played 100NL?

Nonetheless, GL with getting your money

i will happily put % of my lost bankroll into it

Sounds very strange. Maybe you can try to contact the government of Curacao for further info ( and contact details) of this licensing department.

http://www.curacao-gov.an/site.nsf/S...s?OpenDocument

Adres:
Breedestraat 39C (Punda),
Willemstad Curaçao

Tel.:
0-800-1515 (gratis)
(5999)-433-3131 (buitenland)
Buiten kantooruren kunt u een bericht achterlaten en u wordt zo snel mogelijk teruggebeld.

Fax:
(5999)-433-3130

E-mail:
info@curacao-gov.an

I am very interested in getting a lawyer on this.

greetings from Lithuania, looking forward to form a team if u want guys. Stucka a lot here also.

Hi Givmild. I dont know if you recognised me. I also played at betonbet and I lost about 10k. I like your idea but unfortunately I dont know any lawyer either. I definitely want to be a part of this. Im from Sweden.

Hi!

We play together many times.

I lost $8.700, fortunately I had a bigger cash out on the front of a year.
I am living in Hungary so a I can't help.

I think we should open an other forum topic for this theme.

Regards,
Ceewyl

Hi, i added you on msn, please accept so we can discuss something.

Mike

Hi, i am also stuck quite alot. how do you submit this claim you are talking about ? Have no idea what to do with this situation. I had about 12 k on b on b . thanks for any help.

I don't know if people knows this but Eurolinx actually bought BetOnBet in March and that's actually when all the troubles started. I bailed out about the same time and now only got a few k stuck on BoB from a whitdrawal made in May.

So I would say that all the circumstances, and that it's actually just one company, points to a scam and sorry to say but I believe all you money is long gone.

Never ever play on Microgaming again.

Hi D-Mike here is the link:

http://www.lga.org.mt/lga/content.aspx?id=157049

E-mail them all the details as adviced in the list.

Hope this helps you.

This is my first post but I've followed this thread for the last 2 months. I was lured into BetOnBet in May/June with a 50% rb deal and now I’ve lost a low 5 figures.

Agree 100% with some other posters. The Linx Media Group were already a sinking ship, they bought BoB for one sole purpose, i.e. to get a hold of the player funds, meaning the scam was planned a long time ago. From what I understand BoB was always a very good and professional site before the LMG bought it.

Quote TrickyTree:
http://www.lga.org.mt/common/file_pr...30000&ext=.pdf

“The important point is this one.....40(1) A licencee shall keep players funds seperately from the licencees own funds in a Clients Account held with a credit institution approved by the Authority.

Now this means one of two things:

1. BetOnBet player funds are safe somewhere (rather hopefull i suppose)
2. Someone is going to face criminal charges for breaking this licence (more likely)”

TrickyTree: Very good digging and very good news if they were indeed licensed by LGA! This seems to be the case as LGA claims they are currently investigating BoB.

Point 38) is also very important. (considering Jokotokolino's post about Jo Remme admitting to have traded with player funds and that it went extremely wrong)

Jokotokolino: A recording of your phone call/s with Jo Remme would be a CRUCIAL piece of evidence to add to the ongoing investigation, it would prove that Jo Remme/BoB violated its LGA license on at least 2 points. I don’t know where you live but in my country the way to get this recording would be:
1. Tell your story to the local police/other relevant authority (some quick digging should let you know where you should file such a report)
2. Call/e-mail abuse@dutchtelecom.uk (or whatever operator you are using) and tell the story that a criminal is admitting to a crime in this specific phone call. (if needed with help from the police/relevant authority)

As many others mentioned here, I’m also willing to chip in to get a good resolution on all of this. I think it’s safe to assume that everyone who lost some money in this is prepared to chip in 10% of what they lost, if there is a small chance that we will get it back, I’d do it simply to see the guilty ones go to jail. But to get something like this going, we need someone to run point.

TrickyTree: You mentioned before that you would like to run point on all of this and keeping us updated, that would be greatly appreciated. I think the first step should be to follow up on the ongoing LGA investigation of BoB. Primarily to make sure that there is a real investigation. Depending on the outcome of the LGA investigation, we decide what to do next. If you want to lead this (perhaps with help/input from fds), let us know and I suggest everyone who wants to join PM you. All posts in this thread is impossible to keep track of.

One thing I find strange though:
Why would Jo Remme (over the phone to one of the players he conned) confess that he traded with player funds and that it went extremely wrong??? It makes no sense unless he is outright stupid. This sounds like an excuse to me and may be misleading information to make us believe that the money is lost and gone.

Ps. I don’t really believe that this was a one-man show, it is just to big of a scam to be possible. Some guys at the finance dept. must have known what was going on, for example Kevin at the BetOnBet finance team which I guess most of us got an e-mail from saying that he would ask the banks to “reprocess our withdrawals” etc...

Ps2. Mee, thanks for all the information you are providing, it really helps to get a good picture of what actually happened.

Yup, this is the only thing that makes sense.
Even if he was mentally ******ed he wouldnt say something like that to one of the players if it actually was true.

Didn't someone in this thread tell us about how Eurolinx lured US players to play on eurolinx, by providing detailed instructions on how to bypass the US IP issue. He said he still had emails from Remme on how to do this. This info is probably interesting for potential US lawyers looking into this scam.

what happened that microgaming came to eurolinx and then shut them down...this is unheard of 2 disasters in 2 yrs same site microgaming

I have no clue about the legal issues you are bringing up, but by Googling in Dutch, I found this company profile in English. They should know quite a bit and if not, be able to point towards the right direction:

http://www.hbnlaw.com/curacao/corpor...ny_profile.php

When MG figured out Remme has little to no money they immediately decided to shut down EL for no other reason but to save what he owes to them. Once they get their part they'll once again wash hands "but we only provide software and network" and nicely say "FU very much players".

honesty i thing mg should buy up the debt and offer a rake requirement option. i.e. you have to play 10x hands and you get your money. at least that would show some ownership and provide a means to get money out