Im confsed. Earlier he said he lost it playing blackjack @ 1k/h, now he said he played poker with it? What proportion of the 245k advance was lost at blackjack, and what proportion was lost at poker?

Thank you for bringing it up. Just like I had the details of the advances and didn't think to bring it, that information was available for all readers to interpret from the history, and no one, except El Diablo caught it. Even I never thought to refer back to this history.

Good catch!

I answered Garbageman's question as "how did you get the balance up to $245k?. Actually, my accounting was slightly incorrect, as I don't think I played poker when I was getting the balance up to $245k, so it would be: "I deposited 65k, 29k bonuses, borrowed 100k, 51k at blackjack.

From the $245, I played some poker* and won appr. $30k, and hence lost 275k in blackjack

*I'm a bit confused on when I played poker, but at some point, I won 30k in poker, all other action was BJ.

It doesn't speak directly to whether the money was offered to him unsolicited, or if he asked for it. It was suggested in this thread many times that it was offered to OP without him having asked for it, and others used this to argue that EL was being shady in the way they tried to win his money back. OP had many chances to correct this error, but never did.

That being said, when asked directly about it by Cardman, he did volunteer that he had indeed requested it. It could well be that rather than attempting to mislead, OP was simply careless in his posting and replying to other posts in this thread. Either way, it certainly changes things in the eyes of many.

Nice catch, BTW.

+1 on the trip to Malta, I'd take one too, although there are likely those more qualified to be helpful. And agreed on CM, which I think I said earlier.

I absolutely recommend Malta!

BigRounder do you really feel like if the transaction wasn't in fact sent mean that you don't have to pay? I can't see why that is evidence enough for you to think you are being freerolled when in fact nobody else have ever been freerolled on the site. To me it really looks like you are just looking for any possible way to get out of the debt.

Ive read through all of this and don't have much to add but I just wanted Eurolynx to know they just lost a one time very interested grinder.

Here, you say you asked for credit. Yet, previously you said:

Which is it?

I couldn't find that quote in that link? Care to review and fix if it's somewhere?

this is what im wonderin:

1. has EL made any response yet? i have followed the thread but just seeing if i missed something...

2. has EL confirmed that they will use CM as arbitrator? as above, i have only seen OP mention it but have yet to see anything from EL...

3. what does OP do for a living to be able to gamble this type of money? just curious about this one...

ganja that's the quote I went back thru looking for and was unable to find it- and the one I thought caused the confusion.

I just want to say I wasn't trying to crucify for the late clarification- I was just concerned it was different than what many were proceeding under- and I swore I rememberd a quote like that.
I don't think OP had been trying to hide it and he certainly clarified as soon as asked directly.


It strikes me as bizarre that EL claims they need things to happen a certain way for regulation purpose- but they still managed to cancel two wires after they were supposed to have arrived- and apparently without OP being aware they were being cancelled at that point. (remember he was told when he inquired that there was no way to do that)

It looks more and more like they figured they had advanced enough/too much and decided to pull the 145 to cover part of the advance and that seems like a horrible way to do business.

It looks like the wires were never on the way.

Edit: I figured out how to link to the actual post.

I don't know what OP's intentions were. I'm not trying to accuse him of anything. Just wanted clarification since it's seems a pretty clear contradiction.

Yep. Well, I guess that's the gray area that BigRounder was talking about and the chat logs would really tell how it went. In the clarification he did say he asked for additional credit after the first one but not sure how the first one got done.

You were advanced money, that you lost. I dont understand the problem here. It does not matter if the original money was ever sent. You could have waited to see, maybe there was a problem, maybe they were never going to send your cash. We will never know.

They gave you a loan that you lost. You now must repay it. Your saying send me 145K that you no longer owe me and ill send you the money that I owe you. You are making no sense. You lost their money now pay up.

It is a contradiction as far as I can tell but IMO a little irrelevant. I don't actually care if he asked for it or not. The issue is not why they advanced him the money but why he did not receive his wire transfer when EL had confirmed it was sent days ago and was impossible to cancel.

I can't believe you cannot understand the issues involved here - have you read both threads?

I have just one small issue with the OP at this stage now - you had always stated you were prepared to pay them the money but the reason you were stalling was because of the wire payments issue. I am totally with you on this. However, recently you have changed stance and seem to actually be challenging the legality of them advancing you money anyway - I don't like this at all and sounds like you really are looking for other ways not to pay.

I have six firuges in eurolinx and I feel like Im about to puke.

Big Rounder - read this.

I have read both the posts from top to bottom. What you need to do is to write down here EXACTLY what happened as there have been a couple of gaps in your stories thus far. This should include dates and exact $$ numbers. You can then use this as a reference when dealing with CM. Once you have this please post it here as your formal submission (this should be in bullet point format) and beware that if you deviate from it your story may get rubbished by CM down the line.

My two cents on your situation - you have been a victim of a normal business tactic for paying large sums to creditors. I once withdrew a lot of money from William Hill here in the UK - and due to a "processing error" it took 2+ weeks to arrive - I knew this was a scam at the time. If you have ever been involved in the accounting of a business (I am an accountant), you will know this is common place. It's hard to prove and far from illegal.

In terms of do you owe any money etc - it's grey, very grey. Personally I would not pay them a cent and if they wanted to take me to court over it then i would gladly go - they advanced you money with no contract to recover (this could even be in breach of their licence) - this is poor business and they should be punished for this. You could just argue in court you thought it was free as you are such a great customer and you didnt think you had to pay it back. They knew you would lose it all and they capitalised on this - I find this immoral.

You never received your 145k. If you wanted to be a total prick you could go after this as well - you would need a good lawyer though and if you lost would be liable for a counter sue - so not advised.

Moral of the story - get a hold of your gambling, it appears you may need some help with this. Dont take markers from online sites or other casinos for that matter - only gamble with money you can afford to lose.

Good luck with everything!

T

Did you really read the whole thing? The only thing that "appears" likely to me is that OP is very very wealthy. People in here that were calling him a degen are probably bigger degens themselves in a relative sense. For all they know OP is worth nine or ten figures. Dropping $300k to him is like the typical zoo ****** blowing his lunch money on NL10.

OP has been very reasonable/cordial the whole time. Zoo posters of course... havent.

I have read it all. If he was worth 9 or 10 figures he wouldnt be wasting his time on this - his lawyers would be dealing with it. He sounds like he has a serious gambling problem. He maybe can afford it (im sure he can) just pointing it out...

To my mind there is just one issue here. If OP had won money with the $245K would he have been able to withdraw it. If not, it may as well have been play money.

The only evidence pertinent to this question is whether EL were intending to pay the earlier sum or not. So far, it appears not.

Rounder - Make sure you employ somebody (probably a lawyer) to put your written statement to Casinomeister.

This is the sickest thing I have ever read. They just gave you a $245,000 credit and you lost in it in hours??? Doomswitch I would say for sure very sketchy
More importantly if this is true the size and nature of your gambling you have a serious gambling problem and need help ASAP!!!!!!
Just curious what you do for a living that you can wire this sought of coinage around?
No way in hell would I pay them a dime and forget the wires and walk away from this site,,
Has 2+2 looked into this? If it is true 2+2 should immediately remove all advertising from this site. Absolutely CRAZY!

They advanced him money with the clear understanding that he would/had wired the money. They probably have chat logs/emails documenting that fact. Morally and legally he is obligated to pay -- provided that it cannot be proven that they had no intention of paying if he won.

What people forget is that untill this thread, Eurolinx had an excellent reputation and they've had no payment issues. I personally believe that the famed $145k wire transfer was in some state of processing, and that they intended to pay. Eurolinx's past behvaiour and reputation gives no reason to believe that they're the kind of outfit that would defraud a player in this manner.

And people need to stop this nonsense about OPs alleged gambling problem. I'd take it as an insult. He oviously has a lot of money.

Not sure why people keep harping on about this. It is his money and if he wants to gamble it away that is his business. He hasn't come here seeking advice for any addiction he may or may not have.

I only got as far as page ten of the first thread. Apologies for repetition.

Why did you accept $145,000 credit to your gambling account? Did you think it was an apology for the delay, or a tactic to shut you up before losing it all (as you did)? Effectively they stuck the $145,000 back in your gambling account with a $100,000 bonus. Did this not strike you as just a tad suspicious? If so, why did you not refuse the credit and say, "please remove it, I'm going to stay logged out of my account until I receive the $145,000 wire anyway"? To say the least, your actions in playing on that $245,000 credit were staggeringly ill-advised. You played straight into their hands.

There was no intention to pay you $145,000. I doubt they have $145,000 in the bank, much less any inclination to pay it to you. Whether or not they credited you with $245,000 or $2,450,000 makes no difference - it was play money, an artifice to save themselves a large debt.

You owe them nothing, so FF's sake please don't send anything.

If you do this you should be sectioned. Casinomeister works for the gambling industry. If he can secure a $100,000 windfall for this operation, I think a far more meaningful poll would be: how much will end up in his pocket - 1K, 5K, 10K or 30K?

Though that said, your actions to date are so damn wacko that maybe you need sectioning anyway.