You should make CM absolutely aware that you believe EuroLinx were freerolling you with the large advance. Personally I don't see how anyone can assign any value to these 'virtual chips' that were never backed up by any actual currency, either by you or the casino. It might aswell have been play-chips.

At this point in time, I would want something stronger then a screenshot that could have been be photo shopped.

I would probably need some type of certified document (by an officer of their bank), or an original (or cerified copy) mailed to me.

It doesn't seem like any such thing is forth coming, as Jo's reply to me from day one has been "You owe us, we aren't going to prove anything to you, just ship us $100,000"

op you are ******ed
if someone owes me 1000 dollars and i owe them 2000 i wouldnt expect them to send me the 1000 and wait for my 2000

I'm not sure if it is the correct way to "pitch a bitch" with CM, but I basically gave him the link to these two threads and asked if he needs any other info to let me know.

I am still awaiting his reply.

Wow, i'm feeling melancholic. I haven't been called "******ed" since the first 50 posts in my original thread on this topic.

[ ] OP is a trustworthy fellow
[X] OP is trying to steal $250k

Well, I guess you can't succeed if you don't try first, right?

I appreciate your comments, but can you clarify your thought process on this post?

like i said in the very beginning, tell them to go **** themselves.

i would say it changes things to this affect. if they were not planning on sending him his winnings at any time, then his winning in affect arent "real" money. if the only use that money has at this current juncture, is to play games at their site, then in turn the money has no real value. but, his 100k in his bank currently has a real world value and he should in no way be willing to exchange the 100k of play money for 100k of real money.

im no lawyer, but i do feel that in most peoples eyes (and in the eyes of the law???) a loan that is paid in good faith (ie. school loans or home loans) where there is a set of procedures that are followed, is quite different from a loan provided for predatory and quite possibly fraudulent reasons. And in turn i feel that the responsibility to repay them changes equally.

i do agree with you about the fact that he should avoid arbitration, but for a different set of reasons. an arbitrator will look over the situation and evidence and make a decision based on his moral and legal opinion. if i was
the op, i would give **** less about someone elses opinions. i would feel as if some attempted to defraud me of a large sum of money, and until they proved to me otherwise, i would make it my lifes work to destroy them.

the smug nature of eurolinx's replies sickens me. they take a full day to come up w/ an "official statement" and that produces no more information, and denies to even be aware of claims that exist quite publicly about them. the fact that they havent even attempted to deny that they were free rolling a player (seems like a very serious claim to me), and have chosen a path that is likely to keep that information private seems like strong evidence alone.

Rounder-
You are going to get a reasonable number of people who havent read the entire first thread posting in here. Save yourself the hassle and ignore those posts to avoid what happened in thread one. No need really to rehash all those angles.

Again- best of luck.

Anyone who posts in this thread without reading the origial is a fracking idiot.

ban

Thanks apefish....I never took any offense to those posts.

I may be a new poster, but I've been coming to this forum for many, many years.

I have seen how newbies that claim they were wronged by a site get hammered by the more "established" posters.

I have actually been very pleasantly surprised by the overall responses I have seen in these threads after all the facts were presented. I may have been a bit "rough" in posting my details at the start, but as all the info came to light, I have seen many posts (and received dozens of PM) supporting my arguement. Even from posters that at first called me "******ed"

Anyone care to take 15 minutes or so to Cliff Note that thread? Here it is:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=174012

I'd do it, but I'm starting to get carpal tunnel from all the typing.

Here are the cliff notes that a poster from another forum put together. They are from about 36 hours ago but you get the gist.


I'd add 10. Eurolinx responds with an offer to arbitrate by casinomeister, which OP accepts.

I've seen him state on his forum recently that he doesn't base things on posts at other forums. So I think it's safe to say a link to 2+2 threads doesn't cut it: you'll have to actually lay out your case to him.

Just to clarify this point. I lost a very large amount in 2007, in various online and land based casinos. I did not lose ~$4 mil at Eurolinx, and I believe that i am actually a net winner at Eurolinx, at the moment (thereby causing their cash flow issues, if there are any???).

Had I lost ~$4 mil at Eurolinx, I don't think they would have such an issue in paying me the $145k timely.

props to op for handling all of this in such a level headed and receptive manner. Can we put Casinomeister on the UB case after hes done here?

was just wondering how old of a person you are, if u care not to answer i understand.

I hope you could verify such a document from the banks involved? (is that possible?)

That's not a valid conclusion.

It's perfectly simple to have player funds in trust and also allow players to play on credit. All Eurolinx would need to do is call the bank and have the loan balance moved from their corporate account into the trust account.

I have no idea if they did this of course.

The cliff notes were from BTP.

They are warning their members to get their money off Microgaming sites entirely at the moment.

Honestly is anyone here with significant funds on Eurolinx feeling comfortable right now?

In fact, given what happened with the 27 Tusk-processed Microgaming rooms, how can anyone with significant funds on any Microgaming site (Ladbrokes excepted) feel comfortable?

Do any of these rooms (or rather their payment processors) actually hold player funds in trust? If not if a room collapses the players are at the back of the queue...

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I'd take what they give me, and use my own due diligence to determine it's validity.

At this point, they haven't offered to produce or provide any such documents.

haven't read everything but it's clear that binding arbitration without escrow favors OP way more than eurolinx.

It is very important that this include showing them the full details of the PIC-Club issue.

That would be a shame, as it would take a ton or typing and paraphrasing.

At the moment, I am requesting that the decision he reachs is that the advance of 245,000 of chips (notice no $ in front) is void, as well as all action (for those who have not read the first thread, this is where you call me a degenerate ****** who's just trying to weasel out of a $245,000 gambling loss), thereby Eurolinx owes me $145,000 for the uncompleted wire.

Unless of course, they can submit prove to me or Casinomeister of good faith intention of completing this wire, but it was delayed, unknown to them, and they were under the same impression as I was, that the wire was in route.

I don't feel that I am being too unreasonable.