Where did you see that? AFAIK it stays the same.

Someone can tell me what the difference pokerstars proposed by the 1st of January for playing NL100 CAP?

in $ 40 pots we never hit the cap. We waited a month to change anything?

Pokerstars 1st Jan




Reps 1st Feb



PS: sry for my english

No i didnt forget but levels above 25nl also benefit from the reduction of caps.Where as 25nl and below do not.

Same thing i'm wondering, this surely cannot include CAP and PLO.
low stakes CAP games basically remain completely unchanged and micro PLO at best gets raked for 18bb/100 instead of 20bb/100

I''ve been wanting to properly learn PLO for ages but i am not paying 20bb/100 rake to do so, and I'm not jumping into Mid stakes games just so that I don't get over raked.

Where are the changes for these games?

Really dislike this. You are really discouraging people from helping to start table playing 3-4 handed and encouraging tables to break when they drop back to 4 handed. I can't understand why this was agreed to. Would like some explanation from the representatives?

why is one of the new levels 3/6? i relly have a hard time figuring this out ..why not 4/8 or maybe 3/7? the difference to 2/5 is so minimal i thought is was a typo first.

Micro/Small LHE is the exactly the same as the original changes, it looks like the reps only looked out for their own games. Why leave us in suspense for a month if you're not changing anything.

Seems like 6max PLO got the shaft and LHE got the Jesus representation.

All short handed 6max games, especially super short handed got a little screwed.

Don't forget the 4.5% rake is linear, NOT INCREMENTAL so it isn't as good as it first seems.

The $2.8 cap 6 handed is nice, but jumping from $2->$2.8 5 handed is the same **** Stars tried to pull.

tell it to these guys

PL Omaha $0.02(BB)
SB ($0.86)
BB ($2.40)
UTG ($58.59)
UTG+1 ($118)
CO ($0.80)
Hero ($4.94)

Dealt to Hero T 4 2 7

UTG raises to $0.07, UTG+1 raises to $0.24, CO raises to $0.80 (AI), fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to $2.67, UTG+1 raises to $8.84, UTG raises to $27.35, UTG+1 raises to $82.88, UTG calls $31.24 (AI)

FLOP ($118) 3 4 2

TURN ($118) 3 4 2 9

RIVER ($118) 3 4 2 9 A

UTG shows T Q 8 J
(Pre 22%, Flop 0.0%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG+1 shows K 8 K 9
(Pre 46%, Flop 100.0%, Turn 100.0%)

CO shows Q 5 9 A
(Pre 32%, Flop 0.0%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG+1 wins $116


imo it makes difference, especially at plo. also nl2-nl5 are all 250bb max tables

Well done everybody involved. Don't really see the point for NL6 but apart from that it looks good.

Also still don't understand why 5-6 handed is raked more than 3-4.

yeah nl6 seems really bad

getting rid of 2nl would actually be better

Gotta say not sure who thought adding a 6nl on top of 5nl was a good idea.

Gotta re-iterate that PLO (and likely CAP) just got very, very little relief. PLO is raked out of control amounts.

CAP NL50-100 got nothing

If by Jesus representation you mean nailed to a cross and left to die, than yeah...

Micro stakes LHE got nothing out of this.

changed my mind after thinking it trough
useless changes for the majority of players

as feared sending representatives for different gametypes was a bad idea

additonally to the big problems i mentioned above:
-microstakes rake decrease will NOT increase the health of the games, why?
smallstakes are still a huge bottleneck , the rake cap increase is killer at 6max nl100 where the games start to get tough so the 0.5% rake decrease is useless at best.
the only people who really benefit from the micro-decrease are the people who are playing those limits for a living(hi peru)

the real winner are FR players, klairic pushed his agenda trough as expected while ****ting all over SSNL/MSNL 6max players.
nice job
good to know that all the discussions beforehand were beyond useless and just completely ignored

This. Why have 5nl and 6nl?

Reps get what they wanted everyone else gets shafted.

The more I look at these changes in the context of fairness, the more I realise that these changes just don't make sense.

First of all a rake reduction across the board is welcome. However I wanted a fairer approach. It surely can't be right that a stake like NL25 which is a rake trap is now slightly worse off in changes to NL50,100,200 etc.

Also the same applies to limit holdem such as 0.50/1 where the higher limits seem to get more of an advantage. This is exactly what I didn't want to see. I wanted the rake to be decreased in a fair way and as the limits went up the rake reduction was less noticeable.

Am I right in these conclusions because it seems to me that this just isn't the case?. I am hoping to be corrected

me likes it, props to the representatives! thank you guys!

I'll be damned, I agree with cashy on something.

Though to be fair, 6max NLHE had it better than CAP and PLO to begin with. Those are the two games that needed something substantial out of this and got nothing.

Full-ring the big winner, ldo.

I have a few questions for the reps, you have a tough job and it was kinda inevitable that you guys would not satisfy everyone's needs/wants/hopes.

Who were the biggest personalities in the groups? Any of you feel that some voices were heard more than others?

Why was it decided that the new changes would be implemented effective Feb 1st without any consultation with the people who voted to send you there?

Do you not feel you basically took on board the original changes in a new form?

Very, very interested to see a game-by-game and limit-by-limit breakdown.


Also, would like to see some reps publicly address the concerns brought up regarding 6max and cap/plo. And 6nlolol

the question keeps getting asked about PLO an no one is answering, Where is kermit or whoever was meant to be repping PLO in IOM. SMALL STAKES PLO IS GETTING RAPED

the funny thing is that this is almost the same change that stars "offered" us at the end of december with FR being the only noticeable difference.
how come everbody is satisfied now?

krmont22 plays $2/4-5/10 and never really made me comfortable as a PLO rep for a few reasons. Rake is less of a concern for him, but even at $2/4 he has to realize how raped he is getting by it.

How he didn't speak up and be more vocal is beyond me. CAP has the same exact gripe, but I can almost see Stars making the decision to let CAP die.

krmont22 plays 6max and yet he seemed cool with the 6max PLO changes. ?????