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Originally Posted by Craggoo
Did anyone mention yet that you should watch out for the Russians?
Especially watch out for Chinese Russians and Russians who have a Chinese mother or grandfather. Sources say that they are trying to splice Russian and Chinese DNA in a lab to form a super-colluder, undetectable to human means. Picture Ivan Drago from Rocky. Scary stuff. Be afraid... be very afraid.
Seriously tho, I agree with those who say the structure is LESS colluder friendly than the DoNs, at least for the type of collusion that was occurring. In the DoNs with a flat payout structure, in terms of mathematics and total equity it was actually more profitible in some cases for cheats to use their extra chips in their big stack to help a buddy cash. Their excess chips in a big stack were worth very little to them with a 85% chance of cashing even after losing some of them, but worth much more to help a fellow cheat jump into the money at the bubble.
Thats just one case.
In the fifty50's, chips are more closely related to profit. Not only that, but the math dictates that others wont fold as easily when bullied because they are playing for chips with value, not just survival. So two cheats working to re-raise someone out of a pot on the bubble are more likely to get played back at in the 50s, and to lose money when they do. And on the other side of the coin, as someone already mentioned, soft folding patterns, like to dump blinds, are much more detectable.
It would be foolish to think any game is uncheatable though, and classic forms such as card sharing, etc can still occur. Also the structure of the 50s doesnt totally eliminate incentive for colluders, only reduces it. There will still be some circumstances where collude-squeezing light, can probably turn them a profit.
I havent looked into numbers or anything so I cant really quantify, so take what I've said as educated opinion for now... but my logic says the fifty50s will be more fair... I wouldn't be surprised if Stars introduced them SPECIFICALLY for that purpose. "Oops these DONs are a cheating disaster... lets replace them." They may have done something similar by changing the payout structure of the hyper-turbo SNG sattys. If they are world class, they likely have people thinking about this in terms of math models BEFORE games are introduced now. It seems doubtful they gave it much thought before introducing the DoNs, but hopefully its a big part of the new game planning nowadays, post-DONs.
I have made posts urging such and for people themselves to look at "cheatability" of a structure as a factor when deciding what to play. Good thread OP.
Last edited by a2z1to3; 03-21-2011 at 03:43 PM.
Reason: finished an unfinished thought.
