Feb 18th obv

Jump to conclusion much? reload4me emailed them a bunch of names, he got a refund, how is that evidence jane did in fact cheat?

I know right?

Maybe if you didn't sound like a 12 years old in all of your posts people would give you some credibility.

It's pretty LOL that people are coming to the defense of the OP, even putting aside the longtime speculation about cheating/collusion among Chinese players.

PS conducted an extensive investigation and concluded that OP cheated. It's now his/her burden to prove that this determination was wrong. He/she came here and created this thread. We don't need to prove that PS was right. Hell, the only person with enough information to make any kind of a case should be the OP.

oh hey.

GTFO. I seriously could care less about credibility. I said what I wanted to say..believe it or dont.

This ****ing loser was banned and found guilty by the site. If you have a ****ing problem with it, go ahead and email them and tell them you dont believe them. I dont give a rats ass.

consider as well all the chinese new accounts that jumped into the stud games as well in the similar type scandal and it seems like Stars should have been able to at least keep a closer eye on the group. Parts of it as well as the Stud thing (with perhaps the very same players) strike me as strange and I do think it is somewhat concerning that it took Stars this long to bust it.

I don't know much about the farm stuff being mentioned but that all makes it seem even stranger to me.

This as well as some of jorj's statements about his collusion catching in his SNG's as well as the furbean/fua thing that seemed to go on for much longer than it probably should have all combine to leave with the impression that the security and collusion-detection at Stars is not as effective as it should be.

I know it's easy to armchair-quarterback this stuff AFTER they've already been caught and to nitpick and whine that they should have been caught earlier. But these recent example seem clear to me and are kind of frightening.

Somebody copied an e-mail they received from Stars support in the SNE Pursuit thread about why it took them so long to catch furbean/fua...and some of the things they said were quite alarming to me. There was stuff about how subtle their collusion was, etc which I just thought seemed plain strange to say.

reload - You attitude in this discussion is particularly bad. You don't seem to understand the very basic concept that you really have, in fact, not produced any evidence.

No biggie. I was just curious to see some hands and I'm sure some will pop up eventually. But your overreaction and personal insults and all that stuff is really silly and unnecessary.

this doesn't look like a minor thing, i'm gonna finish editing this to find out how much was involved. About $555,000 in profit in don's from $5-$104......how sick pokerstars. Superxia and Sishun were turned in on June of last year and that should have started the investigation at that point. This is very disappointing....


jessica318- 30k profit, last game played 1/25/10
wudiyg- 99k profit, last game played 2/10/10
jane1023-55k profit, last game played 2/18/10
gucci53- 33k profit, last game played 2/8/10
lazzzzzzy- 15k profit, last game played 1/7/10
renhe88- 34k profit, last game 2/14/10
Xuanyu.L-16k profit, last game 3/19/10
chenxr- 42k profit, last game 2/18/10
flypretty-4.4 k profit, last game 5/4/10
nayouyi-13k profit last game 2/17/10
hzlsl-25k profit, last game 1/29/10
freetime1955- 400 profit, last game 2/5/10
xxwpk168- 21k profit, last game 2/5/10
microsoft25- 3.1k profit last game 2/8/10
wenpk15888- 8.4k last game 2/18/10
strong arm A- 2.2 k profit, last game 1/23/10
degreexia- 1.5k profit last game 11/7/2009
ellena054- 4.4 k profit, last game 5/20/2010
jinse888-15k profit, 2/5/10 last game
liuli888-1k profit, 2/5/10
rara999-3.1k profit last game 2/17/10
dcbm288- no profit, last game 2/18/10
linyin- 2.7k last game 2/10/10
yangguangze-830 profit last game 11/29/2009
pakerster-2k profit last game 2/9/2010
yutian-8.1k profit, last game 2/6/2010
wenpk15888- 8.4k profit 2/18/2010
coroinpu- 6.3k profitlast game 2/16/2010
maomao1832-9k profit last game 2/18/2010
hslj001- 1k profit last game 2/3/2010
psnyls-1k profit last game 2/14/2010
goloverez777- 11k profit, last game 5/10/2010
leaders668-4.8k profit last game 2/18/2010
guiliang- 2.0k profitlast game 1/31/2010
chijianli- 10k profit last game 2/17/10
xiawenju- 5.3k profit last game 2/1/10
147222-11k profit last game 2/17/10
wzem618800- no profit, last game 2/17/10
mnbqwe12- 4k profit last game 2/18/10
wzhongz-6.4k profit last game 2/17/10
superxia-16k profit, last game 6/29/2009
sishun-14k profit, last game 6/29/2009

Thats fine if thats what you think. But calling me out on evidence is basically ******ed imo. Please explain how Im supposed to show my hh from months ago. All I could do was copy and paste emails. If that is all I can produce because it was from so long ago what would people like me to do? Break into pokerstars, hold them hostage and demand my HH? Because pokerstars 4 month investigation findings isnt enough right?

Just sayin people should use their heads a little more..

Holy Crap!

Wonder where OP went? I saw she logged in a few mins ago, wonder why no more posting.

Yes, that's not evidence that Xia cheated. The fact that Pokerstars closed and confiscated his (sic) funds is. I can't believe people are questioning this. They investigated for 4 months. I guess if this guy used one of his male account names people would react the way they usually do?

Hey reload, was the e-mail sent 6 months ago like you posted earlier or right before OPs account was locked?

A few years ago when WoW (world of warcraft) was really popular there was an absolute epidemic of chinese players that would basically play ~16 hours a day killing monsters for gold (WoW) currency. Good players need a lot of gold in WoW, and many times they simply don't have the time to collect enough of it to be good. So the chinese players would "farm" the gold in WoW and sell it on internet sites to players who wanted it, but didn't have the time or patience to grind for it. This was a complete epidemic on almost every WoW server and many "chinese farmers" were banned for. Most of the farmers were of asian/chinese descent thus the term "chinese farmer". This was against Blizzard's rules of course, but that didn't stop them. It became a legitemate job for people in china to do this. There were many known situations where there would be huge groups of "chinese farmers" doing this even in places like a hangar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Gold_Farming

It would be safe to say that when that economy collapsed for them either through the game becoming less popular or getting banned by Blizzard, they probably found poker and kept their social group which they were used to working with and profiting on games.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least that this group of ~30 players caught in this thread were earlier in their lives MMORPG gold farmers of this kind. This isn't the first black eye for the chinese online gamers, they have long been known to do things like this. This should be all the more reason for Stars to have kept their eye on them.

You can find more info on the gold farming by the chinese community through google/etc. There were a lot of articles on it a few years ago, I imagine there are even more now.

It was sent several months ago...def not recently.

Possible Collusion/Soft Play Ring on Cake from Chinese Players Thread

Exactly. We reported these people, they did an investigation and found them to be guilty of our suspicions. I dont know what kind of convincing you guys need. Now if the OP could produce hh where they werent cheating and it was clear cut...than I can understand a debate. That has not happened nor is it close to happening.

Take my posts out of this thread. You're all going to tell me that you guys will take OP over pokerstars? I highly doubt it. You will all say "so you're a cheater and PS caught you" "oh you disagree prove it". "you cant? Well gtfo then we believe ps"

Its pretty cut and dry.

Mitch - I don't think anyone is questioning Stars' decision. just curious. If there were bad or obvious hands from several weeks/months before they were locked down then that reflects badly on Stars. I am concerned about their efficiency on these types of things which I think is fair.


reload4 - Nobody has called you out for anything. They have just pointed out that no hands have been posted...which is correct. No biggie. You seem to think people are "calling you out" when they are not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho5Yxe6UVv4

lol

imagine that for poker

I suppose I should have said anyone instead of people, because at least one person is questioning the decision. Your last concern I agree with highly.

Those posts are a tad irritating.

You're right it's no big deal but it's still is a little annoying. I am the first one to admit im a touch douchy but thats because its the long weekend, I have drank more than my alcoholic uncle in the past 3 days.

Wow this thread got big.

There are some legit Chinese players in china fwiw, but i would say a good 70% of the full time grinders are involved in some form of colluding. That number 70% is just based off of the people i have met in mainland china, which obv isnt a good sample size.

Also i am white and born in Los Angeles, just live here now.

Jane, since you dont have PM privileges yet post your qq number here... im pretty sure im the only one whose seen this thread who has qq, so you dont have to worry about everybody spamming you.

Thanks for helping kick a cheating scumbag off of Stars reload4me

No problem.

I seriously thought to myself "hmmm this is how these guys play the DoNs, wild". Until I started seeing more patterns and figured it out that they were cheating. But you're right, it's good they are gone because god knows how much money they stole from the poker community.

The worst thing about this is.. Chances are they are doing it on another site with less security and more smarts.

There should be nothing irritating at all about those posts. Like me and others, the second person you quoted is interested in seeing some HH's and is asking if you might be able to help accomplish this. And he said so in a perfectly reasonable way.

Nobody has accused of anything (except for acting badly in here and overreacting) so stop acting like they have.

They have pointed out that you have posted ZERO evidence of collusion...which is correct. Some of us are curious to see some of the evidence.

flopp's post of their winnings and last date played is quite striking for example. It's not evidence they were colluding but it's still pretty interesting stuff as to how much money potentially cheating players took off the games.

You have stated that you have requested some of the HH's so maybe you'll get those at some point...which would be great. In the meanwhile, you should just chill.

how many players would you say you know that are part of some type of collusion ring from china?

So basically this scam totalled

$456,100 USD
- confiscated rolls
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~$400,000?

Who knows what they really got away with if they spent their fpps