GTFO

Yeah, as a start, they can take the total rake collected in each game ($20/game in a $104) to help refund people affected by the cheaters.

It's not too much to expect to be refunded "out of stars' pocket" if they couldnt confiscate enough because by paying a large rake to play games on their site we're paying to play poker in a safe and secure environment.

Most of the regs affected by this cheating have paid well over six figures in rake $ to stars.

To put this into perspective for you ppl, Wudiyg played 32,410 games and was #1 on sharkscope leaderboard in don profit last year with $96,400 before he was caught. They are more reactive than proactive and that is what disappoints me....why should it only be when players send them emails complaining of cheating that they do something about it, spend some money and hire some ppl to regulate your games. Like Dale said with the rake that us regs pay we could each hire a full time investigator for you guys....give us something besides a decreased roi for the 6 figures we pay in rake for !@#$% sake.

No, it doesn't. That money is simply lost by the fair players and won by the cheaters. There are several questions I'd like to know when pokerstars reimburses some money due to collusion.

1) How much is the money that I have been stolen because the cheaters either cashed it out or lost it at other tables?

2) Who were the cheaters?

As always, this is just for the sake of Pokerstars image. Almost everyone will be happy to get a message saying that he has been given back some money, without wondering anything else. On the other hand, it would hurt Pokerstars to say "look, you have been stolen $x by this guy, but we cannot do anything about it". So silence is better...

Really sad.

Obviously you have not. At best, they just redistribute the money left in their accounts so there is no way to give everyone what they deserve. On the other hand, when you report it, then you are more than fully reimbursed, as shown by your message. They give back your buy in for ALL of the games you play with colluders that YOU detect (plus the whole prize if you are directly affected by the colluders). Just like I said in the previous message, they really care about their image. People is happy with messages like that, and very few people will wonder about what they don't say.

Also, I find it worrying that the poker specialist at pokerstars says that this is the most subtle collusion that he has seen in 5 years and that he is impressed that you could spot it. It's pretty obvious that these hands are very suspicious!

I looked at some of the SN's that were in the email to Jane1023, and their HU games played with each other. Hardly anything remotely suspicious based on their play when in the same games. Nowhere near a large sample.

Player 147222

39 games played together. roi together < roi apart

Player chijianli

50 games played together. roi together < roi apart

Player leaders668

300 games played together. roi together < roi apart

Player mnbqwe12

4 games played together.

Player Renhe88

764 games played together. Jane1023 roi together =5%. apart =8%. renhe roi apart =2%. together =1%.

Player wzem618800

7 games played together.

Player wzhongz

2 games played together.

Player xia.g

14 games played together. Jane1023 roi apart =8%. together =10%.

Player xiawenju

16 games played together. Jane1023 roi apart =8%. together =-4%.

Player guiliang
There were no reported games where Jane1023 played with guiliang

Since Jane1023 has a large sample size of games


I don't see anything showing obv. playing patterns. Even renhe vs. jane is not very large for 2 reg's playing similar stakes.

Are there any specific SN's that are suspicious? I don't want to go through everything.

And although it is suspicious that they're all from the same area in China, it is hardly conclusive that Jane1023 is a part of the team. If there was a cheating ring based in Vancouver, I would be pissed that I was auto-assumed to be part of the ring, esp. since there's more ppl living in that area of China than in greater Chicago, for example.

I would say there is a non-zero chance that jane1023 is getting caught up in a cheating scandal and is collateral damage. I would not bet on that getting 10:1, however.

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THE proof

Im not playing DONS, but Im always doing what i can to catch colluders

Its so stupid that none of regs at 100 DONS couldnt figure out this much before, even multitabling million of tables

jane1023 and jessica318

I started reading this thread hours ago and ended up reading the stud all in abuse thread and a couple of other links from them and while I think people get carried away with HH requests at times there is another issue at hand.

That is how long did this go on after Stars was initially made aware of the problem. The Changle Stud all in (multi account to restore all ins) abuse made this really stick out in my mind. They practically ignored it for a year while they pillaged the Stud games with the inherit advantage it allowed. Furthermore it was later revealed by a whistleblower that dozens of those accounts were all linked funded and cashed out by a ringleader while they all played from the same set of computers.

Following the links it has become more clear that Stars security may not be as impenetrable as many have assumed. So for one, HH's of obvious collusion that were reported and not acted upon for quite some time could provide some insight as to their competence in coming to conclusion in a timely manner.

I in no way think that this group may not be guilty. I trust Stars in their verification of guilty parties being guilty, but this could shed some light in some other areas, such as guilty parties being claimed innocent (the stoxpoker and sillysal scandals for instance. Especially the later considering ftp found her guilty and ps innocent in a situation where she was prob either one or the other on both sites, in which I have no opinion).

I do agree that the back and forth about the HH's was nauseating though and think they would be useful for reasons other than initially inquired.

lol, i guess I should've looked at the last 10 sn's, and not the first 10.

However, I still find it weird that there's only a few hundred games played with each other.

Thank you MB.

even 117% + 94% ROI in 451 games, i dont think so

ninja-edit.

Yeah, I guess if they were more obvious in terms of playing lot's of games together, they would have been caught long ago.

You're not playing DONS and I guess you're doing something wrong. It's mathematically impossible to have a ROI bigger than 100% in DONS!

I dont play SnG's but couldn't this be achieved because of the difference in stakes vs the average stake played or something to that effect?

yeah, i feel like sharkscope isn't spitting out the right numbers. but they also calculate avg. roi, and it also may be attributable to diff. stakes being played. But something's not working right, so I guess sharkscope won't shed much light on this.

yea thats why superxia and sishun were caught back in july because they had almost 5k games played and 95% were together. They must have gotten a little smarter after the initial testrun. This is a pretty epic thread I must say with Jane trying to get empathy and then not returning to even try to plead her case.

Yep weird, but this came out after putting those two names in head to head search at SS

I still want a breakdown of the money confiscated and how it was returned. I don't care if thats not part of pokerstars 'policy' to release that information but when over 1/2 million dollars is involved I think that 'policy' needs to be rethought. I lost all faith in Pokerstars back in July when I found out that the regular who reported sishun and superxia got 1100 back and I got 0 and then pokerstars refused to tell me why. For those of you out there that think they are being completely fair with reimbursement's you are living in a dream world.

Just checked
This ROI came out because of 3$ rebuy MTT that OP shipped, other player also played in that

Cant check head to head for only DONS

I agree, I think the lack of information released indicates that they don't have all the answers or possibly haven't caught all the players.

I would say it's just their (terrible, in my opinion, but possible convenient for their business) policy.

Giving information on who has cheated you and what's the result of that cheating should simply be a matter of principles, not of the amount of money involded in that cheating. Perhaps we should create a thread requesting that they change this policiy?

If OP is hot they should unban her.

Yes we should all pressure them to change their policy and have full transparency, both with the financial and cheating/collusion details. PS being quiet just raises a huge red flag IMO.

lol at thinking anyone in these warehouse sweatshops ("Jessica" or "Jane") are actually girls...

There's really only one way Jane can prove he's not a fraud/cheater......





























Jane needs to post tits or GTFO IMO
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