1/2-3/6, usually every month or so, and usually about 50%+ of my bankroll. I just always make sure I have enough left not to have to deposit again. Haven't cashed out for quite a few months, though...building the bankroll for some sports arbing.

I don't see them as tards (quite the opposite from what I've seem IMO), and I don't know that they're getting heated, but if they are it's likely because this thread has become an insult-slinging match.

Right on.

Try 75% next time, see what that does

OK maybe I'm wrong here but if you cash out 75% of your BR wouldn't that leave you underrolled unless you had over 80 BI to start with and/or dropped down in limits? Cashing out 75% and continuing playing at the limit you were originally sounds like a recipe for disater.

In some cases I'd agree.

playing low limit sng's or cash and cashing out 75% still leaves you with plenty when ur cashing out $2600.

Yeah cool, I wasn't sure if you were playing low limits (like me) or MSNL+.
To add my thoughts, I've just read this thread and although I believe there's a chance it could be rigged I assume that the risk reward ratio just wouldn't be worth it for the poker sites.
If someone provides proof then I'll change my mind but until then I will continue trusting Pokerstars and the other big sites.

realjaydubs,

please stop. you are wrong. I cash out all the time and I play for a living. This thread is absurd.

"If people hate these threads so much, than how come there is always a million posts defending pokerstars"

Because dumb people might believe your lies and quit playing,then we all lose money.

I too cash out all the time and play for a living. The true lack of logic by realjaydub in this thread is amazing. Riddle me this. How does anyone make a living playing online poker if there is a such thing as a cashout curse?

I'll answer for you. Its not possible to both have a curse and make a living playing poker. If the sites rigged it is so that when you cashed out, you got pounded for say the amount your cashed out for, then it would be impossible to make a living.

I hope you aren't claiming that no one can make a living playing poker online. You can't be that misguided right? And if you can concede that point, then please explain how a cashout curse could exist and yet still allow players to make a living?

And when you can't answer that, please stop posting.

Kodfish

ps. When someone resorts to name calling in a discussion, as realjaydub as done repeatedly, its usually a sign that they have no logical footing in the argument and must resort to name calling.

Observing the truth is not talking down to someone. If you can't handle the truth, the problem is yours.

You obviously don't know how a RNG works, or you would know that a software RNG can't be completely random.

Fortunately, in this case, PokerStars (and Party, presumably amongst others) know this and use hardware inputs (including users' mouse/keyboard movements) to generate their RNG seed.

Of course there a winners, big winners....I never disputed that. There are a ton of players who play for a living, that's fact. Winners will always be a source of income for the poker site. Remember, they are in this to make money, not give it away.

Of course I have a couple personal reasons why this is possible even with a skewed rng abliet not skewed 100% of the time.

a)the true winners have adapted to the skewed rng and have developed a system to know when a beat or bad streak is coming and play less. I too had developed a system in sng's that worked pretty well.

b)you were just lucky enough to get a boom account when you signed up. Face it, even if your leap years ahead of everyone else your edge is still not that significant.

C)I suck bawls, get lucky and go on a heater for 3 months then variance kicks in and takes my monies after cashing out, but not until I cashout. Repeat over 3 years.

d)They have an algorithm based on players who deposit, when they have proven to be a contionous depositer, why wouldn't they rig it against them, they will be a source of income for life.



p.s The mud flings both ways....If I don't have a leg to stand on neither does call the cops boy.

duh, so why are you attacking me again? You are agreeing with me moron. Yes, I called you a moron.

Yeah, don't question anything, because that would be absurd, sheep.

So dumb people who win and don't experience the cashout curse or bad beat street will quit because I have spoken up with my experiences?

Perhaps you're the dumb one?

First cash out curse and now "boom" account. No one has landed on the moon either, I guess? Jay, c'mon. You are bringing up every possibility you can think of to justify why you lose money after you cashout except that you aren't a winning player.

It's nothing more complicated than that. Winning players win, cashout, win some more and cashout some more. Some losing players go on heaters, cashout, their variance kicks in and they lose.

Or, there is some psychological reasons for the "cashout curse". The player is comfortable and kind of used to looking at his newly grown account balance. He cashes out 1/3 -1/2 of his online bankroll and its looks tiny to him. He now plays tighter, or differently in some other way, because his account looks smaller. I don't know.

I'm not saying that lots of players don't experience a downswing after a cashout. I'm just saying that it's easily probable that there are logical reasons for it other than the site is out to get the player.

And please don't get me started on "boom" accounts. Another way losing players justify their losses other than their bad play is to speak of doomswitches and other silly things.

Why is it so hard for humans to find weakness in themselves? They ignore their own mistakes as holding back their success and instead choose some voodoo.

Heheheh

Well I did "level" you with the boom account theory...hahahah.

QFS (quoted for stupidity)

Why is it so hard for humans to find weakness in themselves? They ignore their own mistakes as holding back their success and instead choose some voodoo


See reason number C

Suggest you look in the mirror and then read this:

Ben, do you play live? You play Canteburry or Hinckley?

Ben, perhaps like I said in theory C, I might just suck that bad.

Are you a winning player? How would you feel about coaching?

For quite some time I have assumed there was a very good chance that this thread was simply providing you with some amusement. It would not surprise me in the least if this was a gimmick account. Just the same, I reply seriously because:

1) You actually might be serious.

2) There are others reading this thread who really do think this way.

If this is a little fun that you're having, I think your "bait" might finally be tiring. For some reason, this makes me think of a question: does anyone, without looking, actually remember who the OP even is anymore? Has he even posted again here since? It seems to have become the "RJD vs. 2+2" thread.

If you actually are serious, I have a couple of thoughts for you...or for others who are taking you seriously and think the same way. This isn't an argument that will ever be ended, unless someone actually steps up with proof that a site is rigged. Maybe it's time for you to take a serious look at RJD's answer C. I'm not all that great at poker, yet I am able to make money every month (albeit with the help of bonus & RB), and I improve every month...it just takes a little effort. The "poker is rigged" club needs to make a choice:

1) All sites are rigged, I need to quit playing, or decide I don't care because I play for a hobby and don't mind losing.

2) Site X (and Y and Z) are rigged, I need to play elsewhere.

3) I'm making excuses for my own poor play. I need to decide whether I want to keep losing, quit playing, or make an effort to improve.

If the reasoned arguments in this and all of the other threads like it haven't convinced you yet that online poker is highly unlikely to be rigged, I don't think anything ever will.

Well said bobo.