lol I'm speechless.

Call the police and report them then Josem, see how hard they laugh in your face.

I'll say it one more time. Rigging the rng is not against the law. The USA doesn't have juristiction over pokerstars. WE HAVE NO GAMING COMMISSION THAT REGULATES ONLINE POKER.

Enough with the cops ******.

I only read part of the last few posts above mine. Don't really think it's worth catching up on this thread.

But I just wanted to jump in here and say that I've been to Canada and observed all the laws as I knew them while I was there.
Canada is a nifty country and I think their money looks way cooler than American money.
I hope this helps you guys settle whatever the hell it is you're arguing about.

OK now I'm convinced you've been leveling us from the start.

However, I've just had a look through the laws of the state of New York, and a brief non-expert reading would suggest that rigging a RNG for a gambling service would breach the following laws:


I don't think that there is any credible doubt that similar crimes would exist in other US states.

No, you got it all wrong, that's not what I was saying so you can apologize anytime you want.

I simply stated for the hundreth time...The USA doesn't regulate online poker. They have no responsibility to make sure it's fair.

Other countries? Well what are they doing to make sure it's fair? Seriously, I have no idea. Does anybody in any country regulate online poker?

There's no regulation, there's no one overseeing it...That should make you worried.

Then why on earth are you telling me to call the mounty ******?

Why would they laugh? Have you reported this to them?

Yes, I believe it is.

I've now quoted criminal laws from states in two different countries (US and Australia) that clearly show that a systemised effort to defraud people is illegal.

The idea that you can commit an alleged fraud against a US citizen, who is located in the US when the alleged crime occurred, and the US not have jurisdiction over this, is self-evidently idiotic.

a) You have a law that seems to apply to this situation.

b) You have law enforcement officials who are employed to police the law.

c) You should use (b) to enforce (a).

You haven't seen the thread?

No, I'm not "leveling" (another nerd herd word).

Yeah, it's so terrible to question software programmed by humans that is owned by people making money off of it.

The herd here buys into everything, I'm suprised you didn't all just start agreeing with me that there is a chance it's rigged.

I never referred to the "mounty".

You should report this alleged fraud to whatever the law enforcement officials are called in your area.


In the last thread on this issue, you falsely claimed I said things that I did not say. In this thread, you falsely claim that I said things that I did not say.

You need to stop being a lying liar that lies.

Josem,

What position do you hold at Pokerstars?

As I have said a number of times in this thread, and a number of times in the previous thread, I have never been employed by Pokerstars. I am currently not employed by Pokerstars.

I do not envisage being employed by PokerStars in the future (although, if they want to employ someone who is able to communicate clearly and logically, I'm open to offers)

(I have also never been employed by any other online gaming operator, and am not currently employed by any other online gaming operator, and do not envisage being employed by any other online gaming operator in the future. I have also never received any money from any online gaming operator for any affiliates, referalls, or other similar stuff)

Josem, stfu already.

You obviously know jack crap about US Laws...I'm at a loss of words.

I'm done explaining to you why this isn't criminal.

Besides the fact that even by the sites admission it's partly a game of luck or chance.

Casinos rigg slots to give the house an advantage, this is perfectly legal.

We have gaming commissions that oversee US casino and if the slots are rigged beyond a certain amount the casino receives a fine.

In most cases it more profitable to pay the fine and leave the slots rigged at a higher %.

There's nothing illegal about rigging the rng.

Exactly...bwhahahah

Josem, you are a ******. You kept qouting Canadian laws and told me I should report them...

You know Mounties are Canadian Police?

Is there anyway to ignore users here.

But you haven't even addressed one of the laws that I quoted!

What relevance does this have?

If the slot machines were rigged to give certain players an advantage, that would be illegal.

...which is irrelevant to this case.

Yes, there is. That would be fraud. That is illegal. It is fairly self-evident.

The common sense test to determine a fraud is:
a) Does the activity cheat people?
b) Is the activity unfair?

If A + B are true, that would be a pretty clear cut example of a fraud. Do you doubt A or B?

Sweet, user ignored.


*** You are ignoring this user ***

No, I have not quoted a single Candadian law. You continue to lie like a lying liar that lies.

I don't think I've ever even read any Canadian laws, let alone know where to find them online.

Yes. I also know that grass is green. What does this matter to this discussion?

If people hate these threads so much, than how come there is always a million posts defending pokerstars.

The integrity of this forum is very questionable, and very bias. I wouldnt trust the opinions of 95% of people on this forum because they all have motive in making you believe its not rigged.

Agreed.

There's definitely something to be said about it.

I'm sure pokerstars give these guys something for their time.

The same reason that people slow down around accidents - the morbid curiosity of seeing something gory.

In this case, it is the abysmal logic of the muppets claiming that online poker is rigged.

So respond to the issues, rather than the personalities.

What motive is that?

The absurdity is in asking someone to prove that a RNG is "legit", by which I assume you mean that it is really random. Your statement here, and all of your posts in this thread, shows that you don't understand what a RNG is or how it works, and that you don't understand what a mathematical or logical proof is.

For your highly thought-out response, please insert no more than 5 juvenile personal insults here:

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I'll try this one more time, although it's likely a waste of time.

Many people who post here (myself included) have NEVER said that we are 100% certain that a site couldn't be rigged. All we have been asking for is some kind of evidence, beyond your own recollections of what's happened to you.

Some have asked that we prove sites are NOT rigged. I'm not sure how exactly this is supposed to happen. How does one prove a negative? Whatever stats one of us shows, the argument could just be that it only happens after cashouts, or it only happens to some people, or it only happens on Tuesdays, or what have you. The only way to prove it would be to be able to show every hand every played at a site. If somehow one of us were able to get our hands on the RNG algorithim, one could argue that they don't always use it...they have a second "rigged" one we missed. The same would go for any regulatory body that checked the same...perhaps they were misled in some way, or paid off, or some such thing. And then there is the school of thought that sites are rigged in a subtle way that could never be discovered even by looking at the numbers...that things are tweaked one way for some people, and the opposite for others, so that they even out. We will NEVER be able to prove, to everyone's satisfaction, that a given site is not rigged. NEVER. If you believe that a site (or sites) are rigged, and you are waiting for this proof from someone to change your mind, you're wasting your time. If you're convinced, don't play at that site or sites any more. End of discussion.

Now, if there was something amiss, something so obvious that you are able to spot it just by simple observation, then it will be VERY easy for you to provide evidence of this. If this is happening so frequently, would there not be somebody out there with a DB of a few hundred thousand hands that could show us? I await just such a person.

Hopefully when the chorus of naysayers comes gunning for this post, they are able to respond in some well-thought out manner, without hurling insults and invective or making false, unfounded accusations. One can hope, right?

A couple of things I should add - I am not an affiliate, I do not work for a poker site, and I have never experienced a "cash out curse" at ANY site.

ORLY

I do understand how a RNG works, do you always talk down to people?


Please share your deep mathematical understanding and how this works with software to make it completely random.

I'm listening.

Then why are the three tards getting so heated I have a different opinion?

I understand this is frustrating. I would share if I had my hands saved.


I can live with that. If it's truly legit, pokerstars would give up everything involving their rng or better yet let cigital release their results and how they were able to test their rng.


Me too.


Thanks for your time on this issue.

Bobo, what stakes do you play and how often do you cash out?

What percentage of your BR do you cash out?