I am playing for 1 year now almost daily at Pokerstars and currently having a bad run.

Recently i send an email to Pokerstars about my bad run and told them i've had a feeling that after i win a tournament or after i cash out, i get either bad cards or when i get a hand like KK its always against AA. Or when i hit a set i get rivered by a flush/straight. And it always seems like i am loosing the coinflips when i'm ahead at important moments.

as a reply i get the following email:

The "cashout curse" is one of the oldest legends of online poker,
specifically players believing that you are "punished" for cashouts,
and tend to do worse after cashing out.

The myth of the cashout curse was discussed in Card Player magazine.
You can read the article at:

http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/13994

Simply put, sheer math indicates that any time you lower your bankroll
in a game that has variance, you increase your chances of going broke.
Factor in the natural impulse to get worried when you run a bit short
on playing bankroll, and it all adds up to a situation where when you
leave yourself underfunded for your games, you may see your results
get worse.

If you have further questions about this, please don't hesitate to
contact us.

Regards,

Jacob
PokerStars Support Team



After reading the article on Cardplayer.com on the link the have send me i saw the name of the author: Lee H. Jones.

This guy is if im correct the manager of Pokerstars.

How can i ever believe an article wich convinced me about the "cash out curse" if the author is the guy who is ripping me off???

Please give your opinions on what you think about this.

Lee Jones isn't the manager of poker stars anymore.

If the article brings up some good points about the cashout curse why does it matter who wrote it?

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While I dont believe in the cashout curse I do find it funny that they use that article as a reference.
That's like walking up to a 3 card monte game and asking the owner/operator if it's a legit game and he says of course it is, can't you read my cardboard sign "Not a Scam U dam Fool!!", thus convincing you to try your luck!

the variance part is absolute bull...i posted in a thread(still loosing on stars) a few hours ago that i noticed that pattern as well...everytime i cash out from ps or claim my cash rewards for my fpp i have 2-3 really bad days and unlimited bad beats...i usually leave in my account around 40 BI for my games hence i don't understand how variance could be possibly involved with this...i never went broke but under normal circumstances if i dont cash out or get money from ps in any way there is no chance i loose 10-12 BI per day for a few on the trot which is what happens when i do...i really hope this never happens to me again cause i will start believing its not a coincidence anymore....

fwiw
the cashout curse on FT is waaaaaaay worse than on Stars.
lol

There is a doomsday switch on stars, but if you had money to cash out, clearly you werent a victim of it!

I think you are a [censored] idiot for believing that pokerstars sets their shuffle algorithm according to recent transactions on a users' account.

I think it is particularly inane to believe something when there is no evidence to support it.

While, of course, it is theoretically possible, no one, out of all the ******ed muppets who come on here and complaining about stuff being rigged, have ever provided any evidence that it is rigged.



In addition, if you genuinely believe that PokerStars is rigged (and thus, perpetrating a massive international criminal fraud) it is your civic duty to report this to your local law enforcement office. You should do this.


edit: corrected a miswording in my opening paragraph

Please report your belief of an international criminal fraud operating at PokerStars to your local police force. This is a serious criminal allegation you are making.

Look for higher limit tables with at least 2 players that have recently cashed out. Loosen up on your hand selection and see the river every hand. You can't lose.

No doubt, stars is just straight up rigged all the time, at FT you have to cash out before being doomswitched.

alternatively, you could find OnlinePro on there, play him headsup, and since both of your accounts are rigged to never win, you'll have a series of split pots, costing you nothing to overcome your curse.

I've made one deposit lifetime at FTP, for $1,000. I made my first withdraws early last month (July), three checks of $5,000 each for a total of $15,000.

I made it all back later on in the month. Cash out curse/riggedness is [censored].

I cashed out last month and immediately my dog was run over by a car, I lost my job, my girlfriend cheated on me, and my Dad got cancer. Fuggin' Stars.

so, if i'm sitting at a full table of 9 players, and 5 of us have cashed out recently.

3 people to the flop, all 3 of these people have cashed out within the last 3 days.

Who gets cursed?

the person who cashed out the most recent?
the person who cashed out the most $$$$$?
person who has chased out the most consistantly?

Everyone folds and the dealer picks up the pot because PS said so.

Hey [censored], you have to work for an online site to sit here 24/7 sticking up for them

Hey douche tard, show us evidence its not rigged ******.

No, I don't. This is another lie from a lying liar who lies.

The stats from one of the recent versions of these threads are all pretty standard; we also have the claims from PokerStars themselves and their auditors that it is ok.


Thus, we have some evidence it is not rigged; there is literally zero evidence that it is rigged

Whatever douche tard. Show us proof it's not rigged or shut ur piehole.

I want test results on the rng, since ur so righteous in your claim, show it up big guy.

We have 0 evidence it's not rigged.

It just happens to be a thread every other day about a downswing after a cashout but no one can explain why other then the same old bull [censored]....?

The stats from one of the recent versions of these threads are all pretty standard; we also have the claims from PokerStars themselves and their auditors that it is ok.


And we should just take their word for it? lolz

Lets see the proof from a third party.

This is absurd. I'm not starting threads claiming that pokerstars is legit. Muppets like you are starting threads claiming that pokerstars is rigged - so, just once, the readers on this forum deserve some (!) evidence to support such an offensive allegation.

Traditionally, when people accuse others of international criminal frauds, they provide some evidence of this - it is not incumbent on anyone to continually prove that they are not fraudsters, but rather, is incumbent on the accusers.

That's a pretty basic tenet of logic and western culture.

What exactly does this mean? I obviously don't have access to the pokerstars RNG, since I don't work, have never worked, and don't intend to work, for pokerstars.

My claim is pretty simple: if people are going to start threads on here claiming that online poker is rigged, they should provide some evidence to support this idea.

FYI realjaydub, there's an Edit button if you want to add additional content to your posts.

Also, I seem to have my cashout curse reversed, I suppose. In my smallish sample size (but LOL sample sizes don't mean anything, right? It's "0 evidence") I generally do better after withdrawing, but when I have just deposited I don't do that well.

I haven't deposited anywhere since the UIGEA though, only withdrawn.

My claim is pretty simple, if ******s are going to claim it's not rigged beyond a shadow of a doubt I would expect them to show us proof.

Well, unless there is some reason to doubt PokerStars, yes, we should just take their word for it. Why is that unreasonable?

If someone told me something that was:
a) plausible; and
b) the person was reputable; and
c) the person had no history of lying; and
d) there was no reason to doubt it;

then I would go about my life and assume it is true. Of course, there's a risk that they were telling me a lie, but that's one that any reasonable person is willing to take.