So if this is cheating, why hasn't it been addressed in the TOS?

Perhaps because there *is* a difference between online and real life poker.

Take HUDs for example. These aren't considered cheating because everyone has access to the software and so leveling the field. Having a friend in the room suggesting you perhaps fold that AQ to the UTG raise from the Rock of Gibraltar is also similarly accessible to everyone. Well, almost everyone. It's not cheating.

Do you not understand sarcasm? And I wasn't being a hypocrite by calling you an idiot.

Name the site. I'm sure I could find in the TOS where collusion is forbidden.

You could PM them (at least two are still regular posters here) and ask them if they think in hindsight that they were being unethical when doing this. You should also ask Justin Bonomo what he thinks about multi accounting. What someone did in the past doesn't dictate their beliefs in the present.

Yes. It is cheating. Just because you keep saying it is not, doesn't mean that it isn't cheating.

*sigh*

Playing on someone else's account is against the TOS.

As for sitting around discussing hands your friend plays is borderline. But as long as he's the one playing, I don't think it's a big deal.

Now....picturing 4 dudes huddled around a microdonkament is Lol.

So if you are with a coach and he is sweating you is that cheating ? For the record every coach I've ever had made me play the hand and then discussed it with me afterwords so I may have answered my own question but I know lots of coaches sweat players in real time, correct? Now for the record OP was a cheater and quite dishonest and I do agree one hand per player but I'm curious about this

Girls mostly, actually

And I've grown my own bankroll to over $5,000 playing in microdonkaments.

I would say that yes, that is cheating. There is of course different levels of cheating though. As far as coaching during a live sweat, it use to be a very common method of coaching a few years ago, but you see it a lot less now a days.

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/

There you go.

My coach I just started with told me hand history review is way more valuable anyway..I always thought sweating was a little immoral even if not technically against the rules

Anyone else suspect "baddognobiscuit" is the OP?

Hi OP.

Yes, 100%.

It is kind of funny not a single post has come in supporting his view point except that guy. My instincts say if it isn't him it's a friend of his

BTW, for those of you saying playing someone else's account is OK on Bovada:

WTF! Seriously?? Are you people on crack? I'm not the OP or friends with the OP or in any way aquainted with the OP. I'm a girl living in Brighton UK. And I've never used or want to use Bovada

Why is this forum often so churlish and negative towards posters? I've been reading through a lot and although there are some really good supportive and helpful people on here, who really know their stuff, there are also lots of obvious esteem issues going on!

Please seek mental help, I'm not trying to make a joke of it either.

I love the title change.

LOL, thanks for that advice.

*facepalm

Sooo... A girl in the UK who doesn't play on Bovada picks this thread to make their first post on 2+2 to come to the defense of a degenerate gambler and liar?

If the shoe fits!

Well, actually my first post was about PokerStove. If we're being picky.

This is getting a bit weird. How was I defending him? I asked something that was slightly off topic and had little to do with the OP issues.

MarkoPolo answered it in the most intelligent and reasonable way. Well, apart from him laughing at me and my friends 'huddled over a donkament' LOL

You do realize that there are a few things that make us think your the op.

-new account and post in here
-you say you are from another country but your english and punctuation is good.
-you say you are a female which is rare
-you punctuation and sentence structure is identical with the op. Even the way you oddly break ideas in small unformed paragraphs.

OP got what he deserved.

Frankly so is BadDog.

Seriously, if you legitimately believe that discussing hands while playing with a bunch of other people isn't scummy then your moral compass is broken.

Just because there's no effective way to police this in online poker doesn't mean it's not cheating.

Do you see people consult with friend on the rail in live poker? No? Why do you think that is?

BECAUSE THE RULES OF POKER SAY ONE PLAYER TO A HAND.

Coaches watching you play - fine if they are watching with no input during hands. Again, there's no really effective way to police this, but an ethical coach/student will follow this.

Geez you guys, I didn't even need the IP check to know that the idea of BDNB being the OP was quite a stretch, to say the least. I'll just say that if they are one and the same person, OP has ratcheted his cleverness up at least 10x in the last 24 hours or so.

On another note, unless I'm misunderstanding some posts, there seems to be some people confusing collusion with "one player to a hand". Multiple people discussing a hand being played by a single player is not collusion - it violates the "one player to a hand rule", which online sites realistically can't enforce, and as a result, I think a number of them don't even bother having it in their T&C's.

Not that it really matters in this case - OP has done enough scummy things that whether or not he broke yet another rule doesn't seem especially important.

It's old, so I don't know if they've since changed policies, but here's a relevant link:

http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/2005/t...ee-031023.html