Those were all SS right?

After you raised preflop bet the flop always then:

1) go all in with TP or overpair
2) fold with less
3) keep betting with TP or overpair if called on flop


Anyway it makes much more sense to use a bot for it then a stable of horses that can steal, misclick, screw up or get independent.

MB,

They're either not colluding or they're intentionally taking a % of flips to try and fool anyone watching as they do get it in with each other if they have premium holdings. I've seen 2 way and 3 way AIPF (2 bots, one victim -- victim sucked out and won).

My best guess at this point would be single human multiaccounter/botter that didn't implement any table avoidance or account avoidance logic to avoid detection. Flipping with yourself with Supernova rakeback on < 1% of hands is a very very small loss to take for $10k+/mth in profits (tables profits plus RB over all accounts).

I programmed a winning bot in 2001 in VB. I never advanced passed VB nor worried much about CS stuff. It was never more than a laugh for me, but I know many other bot writers. I know people who have worked with all the major sites, and have implemented schemes to drive traffic.

Although I would immediately discount any response saying they don't ever use bots (they definitely don't deserve as much respect for there integrity as the zoo gives them), in this case I find unlikely it is Stars directly behind this.

I don't think it is actually humans follow a system either, these systems run by syndicates tend to run smaller in scale (4-5 people maximum).

Imagine how many singular bots are out there pwning souls and having sex with such luscious N sexy FPPs.

PokerStars security HQ and supercomputer server room:

I'm sorry, it was not my intention to upset you all... rather ease your mind a bit, even though it didn't look like.

I'm a very big poker fan myself, and playing online a lot... lost about a month income playing at PS over a year WITHOUT knowing about rake... but I don't mind, I think it's all part of a learning experience.

Because I noticed whole bunch of players playing at at least 8 tables the same way over and over again, folding to any bet if they didn't hit a flop, never even slow playing or bluffing, got suspicious too...

So I started to try to tag them and outsmart them with calling a lot with every type of card and make them fold with blufs. It started to work after a while, but mostly until a draw-dead or bad-beat. (which I found out is quite the style of new school playing, except for the draw-deads and bad-beats )

But in fact I think they really contribute in showing the usual old school play to the newbies (like I was 1 year ago and actually still am). And besides that, I remember when I was playing with a lot of fish at a table, the better players really got irritated by the bad play anyway...

It's just like playing against people, but they're more consistent, see them as a layer between the fish and the advanced players.

Disagree.


PTR's independence has allowed for us to catch Furbean/fua__, Nick Grudzien/LittleZen, Chinese DON teams, these individuals.


PTR also helped to exonerate Cookiemd.


Last thing we need is for PTR to be bought out by a big pokersite.

Wins thread.

There was a time they offered phone support to their most elite clients, but then they got so big I wonder how elite you have to be. Most of the people who would qualify know customer support agents personally anyway.

I caught a cheating ring on Party not too long ago, and it sure was nice to speak to the head of security after calling only once, and to be called back within the hour.

In before a Stars rep says something brief, vague, and diplomatic.

LOL it was a joke. Besides, the key to the joke is they are working for said big poker site in their security department.

Yeah, but a very significant stat was from the BB in limped pots where they would always either bet/fold with garbage or shove with a made hand... Their fold to flopraise was 100% in that spot....

http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...n-poker-stars/

collusion at the tables is not the allegation here

Thats the biggest problem with ratholing 20bb stacks. You dont need to be smart, only disciplined to make 120k a year.

edit: lol thread is going to fast to nonqoute respond =]

"Unique Betting Pattern
Another damning piece of evidence is that each of these accounts exhibits a very unique and easily verifiable betting pattern. When they’re in the big blind in an un-raised pot (limpers only) and it’s checked to them on the flop, they will either shove all-in or bluff by making a non all-in bet. If the bot’s bet is called or raised, the bot will always fold to any further aggression."

join every table with them you can before they get permabanned ldo

Yeah that was the only thing that looked 100% unhuman to me, I read the article obv before comenting.

If you were joking, then sorry.

They also found out that Cereus was not using sql or whatever encryption fail they had.

Well, of course. It's becoming quite evident that having a centralized database one can query is necessary in light of recent developments this past year. Quite sad, actually.

lol awesome.

This is just blowing my mind that stars couuld fail this horribly.

Stars- ask the supercomputer to play tic-tac-toe to solve the problem.

Every one knows you are full of s**t. GTFO.

well done

Lol, so true.

I remember when these ex-USSR SS players appeared en masse last summer. I always thought they came from Ipoker. ****, I played thousands of hands against them.

Pokerstars, it is time the change the buy-in structure! The current structure supports the existence of SS bots.