rofl sweet anti-cheat servers you have pokerstars

Cake has a good deposit bonus, good rakeback (33%) and soft games. I recommend them. The pool of players isn't as high as Stars or FTP, but then again nowhere is.

Ahh, my old TRS-80.

http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...n-poker-stars/

its nice that you get every stat on that article

pokerstove % ranges -----> throw in a few blowups -----> avoid detection ------> WIN THE MANIES

nobody copy me

Pokerstars has officially lost 100% of their business from me as a supernova player. I've warned about this in the pokerstars buy-in changes thread (the thread before the changes were actually made) and it fell on deaf ears.

gg Stars keep anal raping the players who actually have integrity

so PTR is better at catching collusion and bots then Pokerstars. I love it. Give us Harrahs Online Poker already.

Wow! This makes me wonder how many people out there that is using a rakeback bot with VPIP/PFR/everything else made escpescially only for one user.

Did anyone not KNOW 100% that there were bots infesting the shortstack tables? With Stars vpp program, the profits must be insane. On the shortstack tables the skills required to break even are minimal and easily achieved with a bot; in this case, they were winning players.

So once again, GET RID OF THESE SHORT BUYIN GAMES. The integrity of the game is being tarnished, there really is no middle ground when it comes to that.

If they cant detect bots then the only answer might be to make the min buy-in 40-50bb which would make programming a bot much more complicated.

The real bad news is that recreational players will hear about this and leave because they are playing against robots.

+1...just stunning

steel, it's not just that, but the sophistication that they were able to beat up to 200nl is kind of shocking... I have no idea how these games are going to be able to be maintained and guarentee integrity.


can bobbo or some other mod change the title?! this thread will start getting a lot more views and suspect a lot of people would be v v interested in this.

Wow. Pokerstars drops the ball yet again. Makes me think that these elaborate systems they claim they have, used to detect any irregularities, do not actually exist. They simple assure us they do in order for us to feel safe. How else could you explain their inability to detect something so blatantly obvious as this?

From PSMichaelJ's earlier post:

Sounds like maybe PokerStar's original analysis was only focused on looking for collusion, not on detecting bots. Not saying this necessarily excuses their dropping the ball on this, but maybe it's a partial explanation.

LOL,

<27 bbing nlhe is not hard at all. I can teach my little sister that has never played online poker how to be profitable doing this at .5/1 guaranteed.

1/2 shouldn't be that much harder. i'm also 100% confident i can write the logic having not touched comp sci in 3 years to beat these games <27bb stacking.

http://www.pokertableratings.com/blo...n-poker-stars/

Ok i fully expect this to get merged with the other thread running, but since the name hasn't been changed i thought i should point this out to people who haven't noticed yet. Kind of shocking

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rstars-828016/


*Edit may as well post in the other thread (this is merely to inform people who may glance over and think nothing of it).

A quick look at the Pokerstars NL50 20-50bb tables shows that at least 4 of them are playing right now. I have seen 2 of them on the same table. Locations were in Russia, Russia, Estonia and Ukraine.

Have a hard time believing that tbh.

At least suspend these accounts Pokerstars.

stars dont really care about bots, all they wants is money. Oh well stars, once again u are disapointing me.

the more threads on the same thing the better eh?

Keep creating mass volume, no skill like 20bb ratholing and DON's Stars. Im sure an Chinese/eastern europe players sitting behind his pc making 120k on SNE rakeback or bots wont mind. Is it possible to make an bot who plays for you and still be able to type/take over for a few hours ? Would be insane hard to detect.

Wow, they're still playing? Stars hasn't frozen their accounts?

yes but it demonstrates a real big flaw in those games, stars detection software and is probably the first time this has been brought to light...to say it isn't sophisticated in anyway seems silly, otherwise this would have been rife (and probably spotted sooner) if it was this easy.

Pokerstars, this just goes to show that you had dropped the ball. Not only have you made the games less fun by changing the buy-in structure, you made it easier for colluders and botters to run rampant on the site. It would be one thing if you could catch these crooks but you let them play undetected for so long.

For those of you who want PS to change their buy-in structure to eliminate shortstackers and reduce the risk of bots, you must spread the word of existence of these botters, and of PS's failure to catch them. Even if you did catch them, the cheaters are just going to create new accounts and be right back out playing the next day. The only way to effectively and quickly combat this is to raise the buy-in structure.

Seriously, if Stars doesn't do anything to change the buy-in structure I'm leaving to another site after my next milestone bonus.

Stars, I know you said you probably won't change the structure of the games until next year at least, but that is a mistake. You need to be flexible with you position when things like this come up. You need to be constantly reevaluating your games. Do what's best in the long run for the game; and that is protecting us consumers from bots by changing game structure.