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Old 09-12-2014, 12:43 PM   #1
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Bots on Party? (Insider's view?)

I have couple of Accounts on Party and I feel something fishy about them.

Let me tell you why. Accounts are X and Y

a) Very similar Stats on PTR.

b) Bet amounts. 50% on Flop. 71.25% on some other hands . I understand preset buttons but 71.25% is little suspicious in my view.

c)On turn they have the same bet sizes but introduce a betsize that is dividible with 5 (eg betting exactly 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 or 65)

d) Not being naive to do obvious stuff like the previous russian bots (like the 10-100nl full ring botring a couple of years ago)

e) Neither of these players play very long sessions (usually 2-3 about 2-2.5 hr sessions per day)

f) PTR observers think they are extremely lucky and run good all the time, but can someone throw an insightful research on this?

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Old 09-12-2014, 01:29 PM   #2
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

what did party poker say on the matter?

what has f) got to do with possibly being a bot?

do they play at the same time, ever on same tables? if they dont play at the same time then how long is it before one stops playing and the other starts?
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Old 09-12-2014, 03:29 PM   #3
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

you have a couple accounts on party?
they play the same, like the same person?
is it you? are you a bot?
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Old 09-16-2014, 04:42 AM   #4
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

So I've given Party a week now to respond. They didn't even bother to reply with a "thanks, we've received your email".

Instead, someone from Party (the OP), decided to post my findings on 2+2 or leak them to someone to post. I believe the OP to be someone from Party's security team based in India but I don't have any proof of that.

So to clarify, almost all the info in the OP (excluding some of his own "findings" like the PTR comments lol) is researched by me which I then emailed to Party last week on tuesday or wednesday. It also included about 50 hand histories to show the very similar lines and exact same betsizes they both use.

The OP also included their screen names which I'll out now as originally I wanted to give Party some time to investigate before outing them (so I asked a mod to edit them out) but seeing the accounts are still playing and nothing had happened, hopefully outing them will speed things up (whatever direction this takes).

I'll include the stats here from PTR (thanks to 2+2er Any2cards2008 who originally noticed their similar playing styles and stats from PTR) and I'm gonna post the hand histories later after I've converted them to 2+2 format.

The suspected bot accounts are "jackaroo" and "BluDevill". Both big winners at Party ssnl over a huge sample.

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Old 09-16-2014, 05:05 AM   #5
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

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Instead, someone from Party (the OP), decided to post my findings on 2+2 or leak them to someone to post. I believe the OP to be someone from Party's security team based in India but I don't have any proof of that.
Do you think it's possible that this security-focused poster noticed the same two bots as you and looked at the same stats? He doesn't seem to be a partypoker shill, like Isai Scheinberg used to do for PokerStars.
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Old 09-16-2014, 05:25 AM   #6
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

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Do you think it's possible that this security-focused poster noticed the same two bots as you and looked at the same stats? He doesn't seem to be a partypoker shill, like Isai Scheinberg used to do for PokerStars.
No.

Because

The OP states:

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I have couple of Accounts on Party and I feel something fishy about them.
My email's subject

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I believe jackaroo and Bludevill to be bots (or something else fishy is going on)
The OP states:

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b) Bet amounts. 50% on Flop. 71.25% on some other hands . I understand preset buttons but 71.25% is little suspicious in my view.
My email says:

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First, you might think many people use the preset buttons for making these bet sizes, but you can't preset your Party client to make a 71.25% bet, that's a 3rd party script doing it. Both of them are doing the exact same thing
I just noticed today that the hand histories haven't taken out rake on the flop. So the bet sizes I thought to be 71.25% are in fact 75% of the pot which is a preset button on Party so this part doesn't seem so exciting as I originally thought.

The OP states:

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c)On turn they have the same bet sizes but introduce a betsize that is dividible with 5 (eg betting exactly 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 or 65)
My email:

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Turn play:

On turn they have the same bet sizes but introduce a betsize that is dividible with 5 (eg betting exactly 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 or 65)
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Second, the turn bet where they bet an amount dividible by 5 is very suspectible. I checked many other players and while many bet half pot, pot and 75% and bet amounts dividible with the big blind, it's very suspectible that it would be random that these two people would use the same dividible by 5 bet sizes when you factor in all the other "evidence".
etc.

It's pretty much just cliffs of my email to Party written out in poor English
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Old 09-16-2014, 05:36 AM   #7
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

Haha this is so strange why would party do this?
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Old 09-16-2014, 06:44 AM   #8
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Haha this is so strange why would party do this?
Speaks volumes about their competence!! I guess they did not know what to do and requested one of their staff members to gauge reaction on the forums and seek inputs to tackle the accounts. OP must me one of their games review team members who likes to play good cop/bad cop.

Found this post by him on OFFICIAL PartyPoker Thread: 'Partyreps Vas & Paul! Please get some of your games review team members on the board. We would like to hear from them aswell'
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Old 09-16-2014, 07:24 AM   #9
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

This is really weird! If its true its a big ****in scandal!
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Old 09-16-2014, 07:35 AM   #10
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

This is so weird, also wow if it turns out true at those 2 crushers beeing bots insane.
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Old 09-16-2014, 07:40 AM   #11
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

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My email:

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Turn play:

On turn they have the same bet sizes but introduce a betsize that is dividible with 5 (eg betting exactly 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 or 65)
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Second, the turn bet where they bet an amount dividible by 5 is very suspectible. I checked many other players and while many bet half pot, pot and 75% and bet amounts dividible with the big blind, it's very suspectible that it would be random that these two people would use the same dividible by 5 bet sizes when you factor in all the other "evidence".
Your unusual spelling mistake for "divisible" is compelling evidence that the OP read your e-mail, imo.
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Old 09-16-2014, 07:42 AM   #12
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

LOL, crazy!

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Old 09-16-2014, 08:02 AM   #13
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

We can laugh about it but its scary to think that an email we send to party might end up in the forums as they clearly do not seem to have any respect for the word "Confidentiality"
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:18 AM   #14
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

not to mention it gives future bot makers advice
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:32 AM   #15
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

this is amazing if OP is a Party Security/GI/Ops employee
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:50 AM   #16
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

Party should investigate this leak!! well, doubt if they have the intelligence to do it going by what we have witnessed
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:02 AM   #17
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

When reading some of OPs previous posts, it def appears he knows a lot more about the inner workings of poker sites than the average poker player & 2+2er when reading some of his other posts - although he does think that Stars & 2+2 are on the same servers, this whole thread is just lol:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=61

Reading his posts in the above thread really makes me hope that he doesnt work in operations for a poker site

He also does MA the **** out of Stars according to himself

A lot of his posts are defending Party - but tbf a regular player on a poker site will defend it, at least with their experiences

Would be interesting if Party does ask 2+2 for their opinion on if accounts are bots:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-stars-1266497

I used to email Party a list of funnels (players who receive chip dumps, usually from $50 free abuse or stolen/fraudulent CCs) every few days but then decided to not do it any longer after only every receiving responses to my emails asking to send in the email from the email address attached to my account.
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Old 09-16-2014, 10:23 AM   #18
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:35 PM   #19
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Old 09-17-2014, 06:50 AM   #20
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

Updates on this trainwreck of a thread? Hoping these party reps didn't whack around friend Lessu!
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Old 09-17-2014, 08:30 AM   #21
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

Absurd.
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Old 09-17-2014, 09:17 AM   #22
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

Why would party poker want to post this? What is the motivation?

Could it be a rogue employee who decided PP isn't doing anything so posting it on here would get some action on it?
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Old 09-17-2014, 09:31 AM   #23
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Thats possible but I'm not sure why a "rogue employee" would care enough to go this far. Maybe party's security is so inept that they were hoping they could get some 2+2 detectives to do all the heavy-lifting for them and figure out what is going on with these accounts?
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Old 09-17-2014, 11:09 AM   #24
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

It's scary that those two players have almost the exact same stats in my database.
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Old 09-17-2014, 08:13 PM   #25
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Re: Few Bots on Party?!

wrongfoot, why don't you comment. The fact that you lack comments just pretty much proved that you are working for or with party.

Now party will spend the next 6 weeks investigating the leak instead of dealing with these players, who again are still on today. lol.
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