Looks like none/very few aforementioned Belarus accounts around the last while. Hopefully there gone for good and GG start cracking down on this.

Over the past week, I have periodically checked the status of the lobby on GG and practically did not see any bots. Sometimes one or two accounts appeared, but in recent days they were not there either. At the same time, not a single topic with complaints about an unjustified ban has been created on Gypsyteam or in reg conferences. In my opinion, everything is obvious here. GG support prefers not to respond to my letters anymore, so I suggest that everyone write and find out about the current state of the investigation and when compensation is planned.


For the future, I suggest remembering that GG remains a garbage dump in which players have to monitor security. Be vigilant, monitor and register all new players of your limit. Remember that a large number of new regs simply have nowhere to go. All rooms have been known for a long time and the vast majority of regs already have accounts in each room.

I don't think GG ever release the findings/outcomes of internal investigations anyway so doubt they will release any info on the Belarus accounts.

In terms of refunds I doubt we will get any......

Almost no Belarus accounts online last 2-3 days. Hope we get refund for some of the losses.

What do you guys think about "Brickagent"?

also, I think we should all keep in touch and communicate out of this topic\in a private room. Those who run the bots probably will visit this post once in a while and we might lose our edge. what do you think?
the discussions will be only(!) about suspicions accounts of course. to avoid getting screwed again.


I think soon they will make a new generation of bots which will be different from the others.

If they had their funds confiscated recently would the bots still come back? Pretty tricky trying to keep a low balance while cashing out the profits before getting caught and losing their money again.
Much more risk involved with trying it again after getting caught...especially if they don't know specifically which aspect ended up being the biggest flag AND knowing that they are being discussed and that others are looking for them.

It is one thing to run bots (or a network of bots) on a site that doesn't care or do anything about them or look for them vigilantly where you feel confident you are probably in good shape for awhile.
It is another thing entirely to set up a new bot on the same site right after you had been caught, had your funds confiscated, and know there is a much higher chance of getting caught again.

Stay vigilant and keep looking. But I would hope that this recent round-up has a good chance of taking care of things for awhile.

Dontmksmelaf and NoGambl are still around.

Any thoughts on them?
noGambl specifically seems to play different from the rest of them.

Also, there's a russian player, Neophron. Do you know him OP?

You have a point but I kinda disagree.
the site only got them because of what this post caused.
So I dont think it's a problem for them to find another agent and start doing it in low-volume.
with some different and smarter tactics.
and also, it might encourage others to come do their stuff now since the field is empty.

I noticed them to.
havn't had a clear opnion tho, they seems legit and not playing to long of a sessions.

about Neophron, super suspicious if you ask me. seems to play very similar to those belarussian, should we report?

I'll start paying more attention to Neophron, if we see something suspicious, we should report him.

mayonnaise1, please check your PMs.

Yeah although me and bag dont see eye to eye i have to agree with his analysis on these types of players.

Very similar play style to the old stars plo profiles and the random belarus/russian/lithuania plo players on WPN.

This is why no huds is not always a good thing. Allows cheaters to go undetected in which professionals can see and detect.

Hopefully we see these cheaters banned from these networks and its good to see that GG have taken action but i wont hold my breath about them policing the games in the same manner pokerstars do.

Unfortunately this doesnt fare well for the future of online poker if the networks are not doing enough to police the games in this current climate.

Gl

They stopped playing guys

Looks that this is real

GG won't share any information about what they found out.

Looks like they want to keep the funds from this frozen accounts and not pay back to players or recognize they have BOTS playing

Anyone interest on taking this to another level?

I will

What else do you think we can do?

all of the colluders from asia that aren't allowed on party, pokerstars, literally play on GG. LOL. Not all asians are colluders, but there was an absolute ton over the years.

I reckon PKmaster911 is a bot (kazakhstan)

Any thoughts on Zirokko?

Anyone know anymore about this?

noticed a few regs getting big refunds from GG, i myself recieved a small amount but have been told these regs got somewhere in the 4 figure refunds, seems there might be more cheaters who have been caught

Who are they, which game, what stake?

I got a small refund, haven't put much volume on there last couple months. Any suspects this time around? The post I got said it was from PLO5. I did notice an unusual number of extremely aggressive players from Kazakhstan which afaik is not a poker hotbed.

Hey Grexometr

I have found pretty strong eveidence of more bots on plo100 and 200 and GGpoker. can you please contact me in private?

Apart from the fact that you cannot yet receive PMs, (see FAQ for information), Grexometr hasn't visited the forums since August 2021.

Why not post your evidence here?

Thanks.

This is the message we sent to gg, im too lazy to write an explanation again and if something makes no sense, you know what the context is.



We’ve noticed last year during the summer, a series of strange players from Kazakhstan appeared, which all played identical – weird and nonsensical sizes and lines, donk bets on boards where their ranges couldn’t support it, strange 4bets preflop etc.
At the same time, 2 players from Russia, diversantt and MajGen were crushing everyone playing a very maniacal style, with no equity bluffs. I suspect some regs noticed that these 2 players were mindlessly barreling off and started adjusting, so the suspected bots’ winrate dropped and they made some adjustments.
Suddenly, MajGen and diversantt turned into the biggest nits in the same month - August 2022, but we didn’t suspect anything back then. Of course you can adjust, it’s just bizzare that every suspect’s red line dropped at the same time as you will see in the charts provided.
A year later a friend and myself talked about how strange they play, how weird and non-sensical some hands are and he said they’re bots. I said it can’t be bots cause they are very terrible and play completely non gto and exploitable in a lot of spots, most notably cbet oop, which in GTO is very low. However it turns out these suspected players are the biggest winners on GG and that cbetting out of position was actually a very profitable exploitable strategy.
Since my friend kept saying they’re bots and strange, i decided to look out of curiosity on statname.net, the stat tracker site, what are their statistics. The differences between them and every other reg, be it winner or small loser are quite large. Namely the river cbet oop, every bot has it at 30 compared to regs who vary between 40 and 50 (even the very tight regs have it higher than the bots), the oop cbet, an average of 50 as opposed to regs who max have it at 30 and the bizzare both non-gto and unintuitive raise pattern. Lower flop raise, then large turn raise and lower river raise again on river. Naturally you would want to raise your good hands more often than call on flop, so a normal check-raise would look like A > B > C, but in this case it is A < B > C
I’ve included in this folder the most important data in the form of an excel sheet and some pictures. As i remembered that MajGen and diversantt changed their playstyle, i decided to check all the other suspected bots for the same change in behavior and my suspicions were confirmed. So for this to be a coincidence, they would need to all be talking with each other and simultaneously, overnight change strategies and also they would have to be able to execute the strategies very well in order to get the same stats. Needless to say that is difficult, especially in PLO with all the sidecards, which won’t let you count combos like in holdem, so it’s hard to get the same frequencies.
The excell sheet i think should be reason enough to start an investigation. It contains the comparison between 1 Dec 2021 – July 31 2022, and 1 Aug 2022 – 24 Jan 2023. I’ve also attached files with their full stats pre and post and some known regs for comparison.
There are a few more suspects than the ones shown in the excell file, but they played too little sample, however they had the exact same river cbet oop and x/r stat anomalies as the rest, they are included in the investigation folder. One of them (dirtdaddy) i forget if he was russian or not, but i think yes and his stats are also highly anomalous.
Final thoughts –
Some stats might differ slightly between them, that could be either to put people off their scent or simply to experiment with different strats in terms of profitability. However the tendencies/stats outlined in the excell sheet are the same, they changed at the same time, they are all huge winners, play completely non GTO, different from every other winning player from every other countriy except Russia and Kazakhstan. They never talk, never emoji, never tilt and all popped up all of a sudden. And they play at the same hours. Also their tendencies to raise turn higher than flop was observed in the 2+2 forum by the original poster and i quote “They play in the same style. It’s typical for them to play any draw of any aggressively through leads or bets and in spr call raise their leads or bets on flop. Thus, they postpone the game to the later streets.”
It might be that they are all in some grindhouse and talk strategy together and it could be that all those deviations in stats occur naturally as a result of a general strategy, say you never bluff the river, maybe that lowers the river cbet to exactly 30, or say you cbet a merged range, instead of polarized on the flop oop, then you naturally can’t bet the river as often and again you are left with the same 30 river cbet number. Nonetheless it would be nice if you would investigate the matter.
Thanks!

I will add pictures with explanations, stay tuned.