holy hell, finnally someone is raising up the hand with doind somthing against it!!!

this is ****ing insane,
Im a platinum memeber of gg up until the end of 2022. i grind my ass off this site and was noticing so much **** in this subjact and nothing has been done!


bless you, hope justice willl happened.

i notice they dont play any MTT's and all of their cashes on SS was this flipout you get point you got into a bad beat.


what do u think we should do besides report?
jizz


edit;

any sus of "kinginqueen" as well?

I think he is a bot too. He has these scripted emoticons responses to try to disguise it, but his playing behaviour is the same as the other ones.
I tried chatting/trolling him a lot of times and got zero answers.
Also, I've seen some random hand he checked behind the 2nd nuts both streets and then immediately left the table (system malfunction as previously mentioned - no way an aggro bot like him would do that both turn and river).

I have had the same ideas. He uses the emojies as well. To me he is less suspicious.

oh man. once i saw him tank call (like 8-10 sec or more) quads on the flop when 2 players all in and the 3\4bettor shoved into him on TT5 at SPR1~, so i though he is just slowrollin or somthing.

anyway, thanks for the updates buddy. I also tried to troll them several times but no response. never chat box.
good you guys are agree about him. latelly he changed he's avatar so I thought mabye it means somthing.

at one point i was down 4k to him at pl500, jizz.

I have mixed feeling about "U Aliashkouski", u guys think the reason he has his name its because he's the high roller bot? i see him digg in at PL1k pl500 often



So after watching some of the latest Jnandez youtude stream's I notice that "U ALI.." is diving into some 1k-500pl and play retty diffrent there.
I wonder if this is the guy who in charge of all of this and this is the account he like to have some fun with once in a while..
here he limp UTG at pl1k

i will never understand how to upload those pics

you use a reputable image site, and link to the actual image

I always had an idea that U Ali. was his real name.. Imo he plays different than the other accounts.

Last few days not many accounts from Belarus online. Tixon, Slick and kingqueen online yesterday.

I saw him today and he used a lot of emoticons, interacting with another user (unlike kinginqueen, who only uses the same ones), so I also think he maybe off the hook.

ya I also noticed that most of them didnt play.
hopefully it will be because they were blocked with their funds, and not backing off after pepole got suspicious.


its always an option that ALI is not a bot but i dont see hendon mob page under this name so I really dont know what to think.

U Ali = Chedealete, got forced to change to real Name 6 months ago or so.

No ****
I remember this nick

There are a bunch of suspicious accounts with insane postflop aggression borderline on suicidal that is hard for a real person to implement. They find turn/river raises in spots I don't expect them to and basically always bet when you check to them on flop. There are guys that can very well be legitimate players but I've seen a few guys that have made some suicidal plays postflop with combos that made no sense to me, could be possible I'm just missing something but there are a decent number of guys that do crazy thing like that.

U Aliashkouski is a weird one, some days he goes nuts but some days he plays like a nit. I've long suspected him to either be some sort of exploitative bot because his style is so unique and some of the plays he make doesn't seem human but also is not GTO.

I have my suspicions but don't want to be lobbing accusations in a public forum, if anyone want to chat, compile info, and feel motivated enough to setup a skype or discord group PM me would be happy to share my suspicions. I don't think these guys use RTAs since no one play particularly close to GTO but some sort of overly aggro exploit bot seems likely.

Everything you guys have described ITT sounds exactly like the first-third generation of bots who played on Stars. They were very far from GTO, but still winning huge.
They had most similar style-patterns with:

- Overagression preflop with 3bets/4bets/multiway allins
- Overagression postflop when checked to
- Very high turn/river AF
=> All 3 potentially connected to cardsharing

The best way to progress with this is obv:
A) To contact GG Security. Dno how efficient they are, though...
If nothing happens go to B) Collect data across some of the high-volume regs to prove the case based on data/stats.

I do still have all the raw datasets from the investigations we did on Stars back when the first rounds of bots was detected and banned.
If someone can provide sufficient sample sizes of data from these accounts I can run the numbers.

Mostly played RnC on GG, but also a fair bit PLO200 reg tables and most of these accounts also seemed to play weird to me.
They have been around for a while, but the plays and hands they show down just seem pretty bad quite often, so I always wondered how can they be winning. Clearly did not expect there to be that many Belarus whales blasting money away.

I can also confirm the post flop aggression, often betting hands that clearly benefit checking back. Sometimes on boards where even over most over aggro "fishy" players would check.

What did seem weird to me was how good some of them ran against me especially all in EV wise. ( I ran fair bit below against them) I figured it may have been just bad run, but it did get quite frustrating to a point where I just could not understand how somebody can sun run so much. Maybe the card sharing part explains it a bit.

9 PLO200 tables running right now and no Belarus players, that's a good sign!

Ducktor is the only one present at the moment at plo200.
Just played a pot against him and he had the standard time-out when deciding for run it twice.

It always amaze me how lightly some people reference pretty much half of a continent like if they are talking about a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

These are nearly a 300M people market, and I am sure must of them are honest hard working people that take serious poker as a career and work their way to the "Pro" status.

Just keep in mind that in most of these countries anyone making $10K a year is already making a decent wage. How many people dropped college to persued a poker career? It was trending back then wasn't it?

With all the coaching and communities out there that help lots of people to develop a decent strategy, there is really nothing that stops anyone from all over the world to become a pro on their own terms.

PS is still the largest poker site and they mainly serve these countries, but all the sudden a Belarus player appeared in GG playing PLO and the first thought is "mmm most be a bot" why not a mmm probably he been grinding in stars for the last 10 years

Not saying bots are not thing, just pointing out that every time a bot suspicions pops up some people can`t hide their xen****obia.

Unfortunately, there are no statistics with nicknames on GG. We have to operate only with indirect evidence and single saved hand.
If there was access to statistics, then this question would be obvious to everyone.
Thanks you for the help!

PS lost its crown as largest site last week

You sort of can.

So in HM3 if you know the opponent you played the hand against, you can go to replay hand viewer and it will load the hand and show the hud player stats for that session on that player... even tho the name might be 29j2393 or W/E they get labbled as, if you know who the player in the hand was you can see that session stats on him

One week is not "losing its crown" yet competition is tighter now.

And that`s precisely my point, GG gaining traffic from PS (From Belarus perhaps) but the sentiment is "OHHHH must be BOTS"

All I am saying is that is wrong to associate something "bad" with their country of origin, that`s by definition "prejudice against people from other countries"

_++1

You can cry xenophobia all you want but sites that don't allow eastern euros/Russians are basically free money goldmines. I say that as someone who has been playing on every site in the world over the last 12 years. I love being ringfenced in with clueless Americans/canadians. Skill can only take you so far, game quality is a wayore important factor in winrate in 2021. Bots and collusion is a neverending probem with players from a select few counties, they aren't the only ones who bot and cheat but it's those same countries over and er every year across many sites. It's nice no longer having them in my player pool

I am not "crying" xenophobia, just "pointing it out". The overall community interest to address the bot problem is always fascinating and to be encouraged, but every single attempt from any community member at any thread to raise any awareness or suspiciouns is always followed up by xenophobic calls to ban the countries of origin, which makes no sense at all to me.

It`s like saying "let`s burn the haystack because we know there is a needle in there"

don't mind Pietro he shows up in every thread defending all the eastern euro bots to the end...