Looks like it can be looked at again since that certificate is a year old

Not sure if this has been brought up yet but, SYNCHRONIZED BREAKS. Please! This is so important for MTTS and should be the standard across all sites.

What would it matter if it is 1 day old, 1 year old or 1 century old? If it's random then it's random.

Bovada went annonymous less than a year ago, after this certificate was given to them. Who knows what else they did in the process as they have made it clear over and over that they dont like poker players

You should post this stuff in the rigged thread. You will get better responses there. No one will take you serious in normal threads as they for the most part contain rational people. It also clogs up the thread and makes helpful information or actual player concerns harder for others to find.

I dont think this is clogging up the thread at all. Bovada has shown over and over that they are very irrational. They go to annonymous tables that at first arent even safe to play on because they werent really annon. Their integrity has been questioned over and over. Saying that their RNG should get looked at again after they went annon is a legit concern. They have stated publicly they do not like any winning players and will be getting rid of poker at some point. Do you honestly trust them? I sure dont. Only reason I play there is because its another site for action for a US player

Since anonymous play removes a check we had as players on the randomness of events through personal databases such as HEM or public domains such as PokerTableRatings questions as to confirming randomness and the site demonstrating that the site is fair should be a legitimate concern.

If the site choses to run a platform that is more secretive, it is only fair that players request some investigation into whether the site is operating fairly.

Game fairness is a concern for me, as well as other players I know that frequent the site regularly. Maybe people don't have to go accusing the site is rigged, but a possibility exists to some extent as it is harder for individuals themselves to verify without databases.

Why does requesting that the site provide player more assurances offend you so much? Doing so benefits the site if they are running a fair and smooth operation as players are more confident in playing their games, and having money on their site. It benefits players knowing that the site is looking to promote game integrity.

Just want to post my short cash out story. I signed up for bovada sometime at the beginning of this year, deposited via mypaylinq. Then I won a large amount of money and kept withdrawing via mypaylinq (getting raped by fees) until one day I got an email saying I can no longer cash out via mypaylinq but i still had like 20k left in my account. I called up support, talked to them and was able to get them to send a wire to one of my friends. This was in march. After few months my friend received all wires except 2. Then I called them and spoke to them about it and they asked for my friends bank statements so we provided those. Then 4-5 emails later, several phone calls and emails later they just keep telling me they contact pay out department and they will update me. Today I called them again and they sent me an email saying we sent a follow up email to provider. This is so unprofessional and annoying.

There is nothing keeping you from tracking your own play. Hundreds and hundreds of players do and see no evidence of a rigged RNG.

Thats not what is happening. What is happening is he is going to every Bodog thread and crying the site is rigged because he isnt winning.

This thread is a legitimate place for players to get help with real issues, not a place for players to cry about their bad beats and the imaginary monsters that ate their poker chips.

As I said before, there is a correct thread for him to post all of his concerns.

I believe my first post had everything to do with what kind of RNG they used and whens the last time it was looked at. Stop lying. I also win tons there but should be winning WAY more

Once again I am in the correct thread and have a legit concern. Bovadas tables whent annon since that RNG was tested. They are already known for shady things. Its a legitimate concern whether u think it is or not and either way I dont give a rats ass about your opinion

What could Bovada possibly do to prove to you that their RNG is random/fair?

I have never lied once posting in this forum. Unlike you my word means something to me.

10-17 was the day you posted in multiple Bodog threads crying about how bad you have been running and implying that equated to the RNG being rigged.

It had nothing to do with what kind of RNG was being used but rather that it was rigged against you. Eventually it morphed into an inquiry of what kind of RNG they used.



Above are your posts from the day you first posted on this.

Nothing in my post was a lie or inaccurate.

Hey guys,

A few things:

Neither the Bodog Poker Network, nor Bovada,have expressed interest in getting rid of poker. While some operators have chosen to go in a different direction, the network has no thoughts of removing poker. Also, real quick for clarity's sake.. Bovada is an operator on the Bodog Network.

With the ability to look at hand histories (for 30 days) and download hand histories (for 7 days) that show all hands dealt at the table (24 hours after the hand plays out), including hands that weren't shown at showdown, the Bodog Network believes that they have a very transparent system with reviewing the play of other players for suspicious activity.

As was pointed out, the Certificate of Evaluation is available here. As it is pointed out at the end of the certificate: “The Bodog Network Poker pRNG software has been finger printed to enable on-going verification that the pRNG in use is identical to the pRNG evaluated.” In other words, it is constantly monitored so that what was tested is what is still used.

Trust me.. I don't begrudge anyone asking questions of a website. I'm happy to try and get answers for any questions I can when you guys have worries. Now onto a couple other things of note:

Regarding synchronized breaks: this was brought up before, and as before, this is not something that is high on the network's priority list.

On a better now, the network has welcomed a new operator to its lineup. TLC88, an Asian facing operator, recently joined the network and will be offering poker in the future. You can find the official press release here. If you are in this region, and would like specifics, please feel free to email their support with any questions. I think we can all agree that more players in the pool the better !

I think that's it for now, if there is anything I've looked over, or if you have any other questions, comments, suggestions, or ideas.. please let me know!

Ice

Btw, Id like to apologize to everyone for getting into it regarding the rigged RNG. My initial point was to not have the thread jammed up with that sort of nonsense, but in effect I just contributed to it. Im done. Mike, feel free to delete the last handful of useless post I made in this thread if you have the time or so desire.

How certain are you of this? Someone posted an email saying that poker wasnt going to be a part of Bovadas future. I will try to find it

I believe you're thinking of the Bodog.eu site.

Can I use my poker points for anything? Like tourney tickets?

Yes, they do have a couple points tourneys. Tbh, unless theyve upgraded lately, the last time I checked they sucked.

There was no straight S&G for cash games for example. There were a couple points satellites available that had bad value on top of that when you consider rake paid per point ect. and the event in which you were competing to enter.

Again, I havent looked lately, my points just sit there collecting dust hoping to be able to use them some day so someone can chime in if theyve upgraded the points usage with regards to tourneys.

From Pokerrfuse: "European Bodog players without a home may spot that the TLC88 website appears to permit international sign-ups, although it is not clear what payment methods are available, and—with Yuan the only currency and the website language only in Chinese—there is little doubt as to the sole focus of the operation." Can anyone confirm Europeans will be able to play poker there once the poker section is running?

I was pretty sure it was confirmed earlier ITT that Euros will not be able to play poker there.

Wasn't that about Bodog88? Bodog88 doesn't allow international signups for any of their service, tlc does. So maybe u can also sign-up for Poker via them? Hope dies last (-;

Bah, reading comprehension FTL.

I'll get my coat.

Ice man,


I am most interested in these 2 items you spoke of some 3 weeks ago and want to know if you have any further updates as it appears neither has been fixed.

Also, two more things. I know the sounds for all tables at the same time issue has been brought up before so am wondering why that hasn't been resolved yet either? And the last thing: do you know if Bovada is getting many complaints about people colluding on DONs SNGs, especially in the middle of the night?

Thanks.

who is that tool in your avitar?