Your telling me having sites that are catered towards regs cause reg infested games?

Exactly what i'm saying in regards to vada having the ideal business model for the poker market.

I think that's a matter of opinion or everyone would be playing on Bovada.

I personally like rakeback, not being limited to 4 tables, using PT4, knowing who I'm playing against, and enjoying the best software for a US facing site right now. Naturally, WPN is my best choice.

Check PokerScout. It's neck and neck with Merge and growing faster.

Ironic that you wrote those two sentences in a row.

Is it hard for you to read lobbies correctly? I'm just curious, because I get the feeling that it is, and i want to know if i am arguing with someone who isn't smart enough to comprehend things. Last night alone there was 9 25nl FR, 6 50nl FR and 6 100nl FR games on BetOnline... that's pretty far from a "few tables."

2p2 is filled with grinders lol ... it would be a slightly bias poll

There ya go bud. sounds like you have some more investigating to do on where you should be playing instead of trying to get a site to change its entire business model because you think everyone wants what you want. As Bobo said there was millions of complaints when they changed over to anonymous years ago and they did nothing. And since then have risen in the poker economy to be the 3rd largest in the world. What does that tell you?

2+2=4

They're not changing back and a poll would be a waste of time.

No offense but I hate people like you. "I checked it once or twice months ago" ...and that equates to "seems to be only a few tables when I check"? You only checked once or twice and it was months ago.

Use that big slab of meat inside your head now and then. It's good for you.

^^^^^^^^ Yes, this 100%. A poll on 2+2 about screen names vs. anonymous would be like polling 100 inner-city black people on who'd they vote for in a presidential election, Obama or Romney. Hint: it's not gonna be a squeaker. Buy yeah, Bovada has increased their business so much in the last few years with the anonymous model that further discussion of changing back to what their competitors already offer is........a complete waste of our time. Subject over.

Jungmit, I said subject over. We're moving on. No more discussion about anonymous tables. Everyone stop feeding the trolls and let's talk about the Bovada that actually IS in existence.

Seriously. You don't like it go back to your reg infested 24 tabling nit sites where any hand you've ever played can be seen on ptr and you have to spend as much time learning how to manage waiting lists and table tracking software as you do actually learning about poker.

I don't use a hud either. I hated when they first did annon tables. But now I love them (for the most part). It's terrific joining a game with people who don't know who you are. Getting a triple up in a game you shouldn't be playing because it's out of your bankroll or skill level and then bouncing.

No bum hunting. Hell yes.

Plus the sickest tourney structure for any Americans and it has been for years.


I do wish the only thing they would do is after MTTs show the winners name.

Other than that, they are not being touched by crappy sites like WPN or BOL. What a joke.

Calvin Ayre correctly chose this model many years ago. You can even go back to dec 2010 for a reference in this article where he slams Lock's business model at the time.

http://calvinayre.com/2010/12/04/pok...er-case-study/


I used to 20 table merge and switched to Bovada a year ago or so. I initially hated all the aspects of it but got used to it. I do miss my HEM the most but you can't argue with his generic now proven business model.

Accept it for what it is or play elsewhere

Let's get back on topic here of how anonymous tables are bad for poker.

Dont really see how they are bad for poker. Bovada has grown over the last couple years since they have had the anonymous tables. The only thing I would change, which I think is a tiny compromise is a way to track your player id. Random at the tables but you can search your 7 digit # and find your results

If u call bovada they will tell u they went anonymous to try tô Even up the games. U don't think it's bad that a site feels the needs to manipulate future results so they can make more profit? They will tell u this in certain other words. Like this " we feel and even game will allow more people to be on a level playing field and it will bring us more customers"! Ok so u want to manipulate the long term results to losing players lose less winners win less and bovada has more customers? If u dont see this as being bad then I can't help u

I'd like to put in a formal request to have mods officially put a call to end this anonymous debate and then start banning people who keep talking about it.

It's a complete and utter waste of time. I follow this topic for news since I play on the site and like to stay in the know.

If you guys want to have this ridiculous debate, open a dedicated thread for Anonymous vs Screen Name discussion. Or even better, find one of the dozens that already exist.

At the end of the day, it is subjective. If you like it, awesome. if you hate it, awesome. Instead of wasting everybody's time talking about it, vote with your wallet and play on a site that suits you.

+tree.fiddy

They are protecting the poker ecosystem you friggin mongoloid. Stars destroyed the games by greedily incentivizing short term profits. Bovada's model is of a sustainable long term poker room. GTFO with your stupid poll, no one cares, this isn't a democracy.

Hey I got a better thing for you......stop reading posts u don't like just likey are tellin me to like anaonymous tables/.i should do a formal request that anyone telling me to like anon tables should be banned. I can like what I want. I am not trying to change your opinion if u like it. I am just citing examples as to why I think it's a bad idea. U can disagree that is your right. U can stop reading , your right again. No need for u to bad mouth me.

How did stars ruin the game? By spreading poker and letting Results be what they will be? By not manipulating long term results to create a more even game? So why don't we all start a site and rig the chit out of it and make the game as even as possible/ long term sustainable model

bovada caters to the donks. makes them happy to lose. that is a good thing.

U think donks care what site they lose on? Lol. They don't cater to anyone. They do it for their long term profit. Thy don't care if I play 1 million hands per year ant break even. As Calvin ayre said u need a model to help rec players lose less. DONKS LOSE LESS in bovada. Means winners win less. If they didn't they would have changed it back by now. Even poker is most profitable

Welcome to bovada. Wish I taped some of my phone conversation with them. Maddeningly funny. Example:
Me: If I got AA and my opponent got KK he only has 2 kings left in the deck.
Bovada: that's your opinion sir.

Nobody is telling you that you have to like anonymous tables. We are telling you that nobody cares about your poll because no change will come of it, and that there are plenty of people that are happy with the anonymous tables. We are also telling you that if you don't like the anonymous tables, then there are other options out there that have what you are looking for.

In all this time that you spent talking about should you start a poll, and arguing about it, you could have just started the damn poll. You've been temp-banned once in your past for continuing an argument, and being purposefully obtuse, long past when it was time to move on.. this seems like a repeat of that situation.