Is the site compatible with HEM?

No its really new. Its almost at the bottom of PokerScout

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They don`t.
For what?
It is very easy to start bankroll there.
I won one-table freeroll with 10 euro prize pool.

Sadly this is the truth. If the average player had to choose between site x with 100% first deposit bonus and site y with rakefree tables, they more than likely go for x because `zomg they double my money and that other site just has this no rake thing which i don`t understand`

I disagree with your point on average players recognizing rake. The new players are the ones who don't have a clue, by the time you get to average you are acutely aware of rake and what it can do to the table.
I do agree that the rake is too high on the internet but until poker is made legal we the players will have little ability to do anything about it. (short of stopping play, but realistically not enough people will stop for the big sites to notice)

just imagine... how much money goes to the rake in this case

That is very important. Without that even the few 2+2 players that might get a table going every now and then, will go away. The other points are that they maybe said they have it all rake free for some time, and then changed it to 10% fee on net winnings (that's great as it's all about what one makes on the table, rake having no play in it), as far as I have read, but putting all that together, how long it's going to last? But even as so, if there would be enough players playing there right now (would be easy if many players would just go there, but they won't, and it doesn't figure to allow US players and how would that have changed just lately), even as 2+2, it would be just fine for me but not to about anyone else as they don't play so short tables and vs. tougher than average players.

There is no "hoping" that this site will become big as they rate to increase the rake up to sky high if it does, and the hopers are the players who should all play there but they won't, and then there is the marketing problem, and I bet there are some other problems too just can't think or know of them now, partly because I don't get to see the site without signing up and why do such if one in the end is with e.g. a 0% rakeback and the new players get e.g. a 30% rakeback some day, it just being too big of a mistake to go missing on rakeback, though I don't see how they are going to become big enough, but there is always the possibility.

Is a low rake site, temporary or not, ever going to succeed? It's maybe some 1 to 100% possibility, depending of how they are doing it. But for the record, not one of them has succeeded so far.

Lunamondo, you mention they do not take US players. This is incorrect. I am not sure if that was policy in the past, but I joined about a month ago after they made it clear US players were allowed. Now they only have Euro tables, so your deposit will get converted, but they take no fee on that. There definitely is not much action there yet, but you have to start somewhere I suppose. Maybe they will turn into the next Cake. You say about getting 0% Rakeback but I don't think you understand their system. They do not charge rake at all. Their only fee is 10% of your profit upon cashout., and that is substantially less than rake with RB would be.

Someone mentioned they were on Pokerscout, but I don't see them. Any numbers and type of stakes?

They are on PokerScout. They are in the smaller network list. http://www.pokerscout.com/UntrackedS...site=Betraiser

Thanks, missed it. Says 24hr peak: 0. Also says no US which is wrong.

Can someone comment on what types of games are available and how many players?

They are getting a few players.
Accounts can be open without deposit.
Relatively esay to win 10 Euros.
Rake = 0% with a 10% fee at payout.

I am in. Definitely the type of site that we want to grow.

Im with them as well. As you know, everyone starts out beeing small on the market but i like the concept of betraiser, especially for me, playing alot, they are not asking for any rake but only the 10% withdrawing fee. At the beginning i was surfing through various forums trying to find some negative experiences, since there are so many with new pokersites, but i couldnt find any. In my book, 2 thumbs up.

!support

This is slightly deceiving. Its no rake and the 10% fee is only on profit above your deposit.
So if you deposited $500 and withdraw $700, you only pay 10% on the $200 difference. This confused me the first week, so thought I should help clarify.

The place I learned about Betraiser from, offered the following paragraph of info. This made me feel comfortable sending some loot there via Click2pay and give it a try.

"BetRaiser is a small room that is a part of Gamesys (http://www.gamesys.an/) which has been in business since 2004. They are licensed in Curacao (http://www.ciga.an/) and are not part of the Cyberluck sub-license group which has a poor reputation. I'm told that HHs are readily available and that player funds are put into an escrow account separate from their operational budget."

prop players save the 10% fee

Thanks for your correction. This makes it a better site yet!!

How does one become a prop player?

I wish they did.... b/c then I'd like to be staked on a site like this very much

The site will stake you to 10 euroes. You got to win a freeroll STT for it, but you can keep entering till you do.

After you won the 10 Euro, whats the smartest thing to do? Whats the easiest way to play those $50 euro freerolls or where is the most money at etc.. Anyone?

Hope this site succeeds. They can bump the fee higher and still it would be better for the players. Many players (the breakevens) pay 100% fee at Stars etc.

ill just state my experience with them, you judge for yourself.

-i took a break from poker for almost 2 month, didnt even log in there, my money´s all still there (~1k$ but still)

- traffic is still low, sometimes there are games up to .5/1€ nl, but not too often and if they´re mostly very shorthanded. i didnt get plo action unless i asked at nl tables.

- rake free play has less obvious advantages too. mainly, its less swingy and u can play better vs shortstacks. if ur not tiltfree this can be a positive experience, it was for me. also, ur hourly will generally be much better than what you would expect at those stakes.

- when i started there i wrote management and tried to get them to post here. they didnt want to, saying they dont wanna interfere with discussions between players. i didnt understand that decision but didnt argue.

- support mostly sends their replies to ur betraiser account. u have to log in on betraiser.com with ur poker login and go to "mail". its possible people who said they got no feedback missed out on this.

- while this is nothing too tangible, i found this article on their site :
http://www.betraiser.com/recommendations/

its nothing they wrote themselves but the fact they chose to post it as their recommendations made me think there gotta be someone with a brain there.

- its easier than u can prolly imagine to build a roll there. win 10€ freeroll, then go to 1€ sngs (nl sngs r less swingy than lhe). for every €, u get 1 freeroll token. (50€, 4 paid, about 50 ppl on average. 25 when its late night in eu). add some +10€ stts (buy in from 1€-10€, winner takes all) that run once an hour until ur ready for cashgame.

-they now host freerolls for poker forums:
http://www.betraiser.com/soffers/
maybe this would be worth trying for 2+2.

also imo its possible that from a legal point of view betraiser would have to be judged different than other pokersites, basically because they make money by players cashing out, while other sites make it by them cashing in.