Betraiser Poker - Internet Poker

From their site,just opened 2/20 so im guessing little traffic,and better hurry....."Betraiser poker gives you wonderful opportunity to play rake-free at all our tables and games! This promotion is valid limited time only. We'll inform players when it is over".

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03-12-2008 , 07:04 AM

Melville

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 359

If you do a search, google asks: Did you mean betrayer?
Not a very good omen, I guess.;-)

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03-12-2008 , 11:50 AM

luckyjimm

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Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,195

I just installed it to take a look. Just one player sitting at a table. He was at 0.05/0.10, and had 2 Euros.

Wonder what their business model is.

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03-12-2008 , 11:54 AM

5thStreetHog

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Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,687

"Just one player sitting at a table. He was at 0.05/0.10, and had 2 Euros"

Lol,thats funny.

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03-12-2008 , 12:24 PM

VP$IP

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,841

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Originally Posted by luckyjimm

I just installed it to take a look. Just one player sitting at a table. He was at 0.05/0.10, and had 2 Euros.

Wonder what their business model is.

I think it would be

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1 + 1

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03-12-2008 , 12:54 PM

Melville

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 359

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Originally Posted by VP$IP

I think it would be 1+1

[x] nh

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03-12-2008 , 02:36 PM

luckyjimm

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Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,195

Also, if the plan is to make later players pay rake how would that work? Wouldn't they, um, kind of resent the earlier players who don't pay it?

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09-16-2008 , 12:05 PM

asdpikas

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 95

as posted somewhere else...

I just tried it

luckily, i didnt deposit. I wouldnt recommend doing it.

I played a freeroll, won 8euros, and got the EM "your account has been opened by another user", as soon as the freeroll sng ended
I emailed support and no response
I tried reconnecting and there was a SW update which i installed. My firewall detected it as spyware/keylogger, and i of course denied access to all resources and proceeded to uninstall, clean registry, etc...
I'm not saying anything except that this is all veeery fishy.

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01-04-2009 , 10:31 PM

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SheepSuit

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,182

any updates?

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02-19-2009 , 02:40 AM

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Nash_equilibria

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,663

The site now claims that rake free is a permanent promotion.

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Originally Posted by SheepSuit

any updates?

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02-19-2009 , 02:49 AM

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Bobo Fett

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 56,896

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Originally Posted by Nash_equilibria

The site now claims that rake free is a permanent promotion.

Why mess with a winning business model?

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02-19-2009 , 04:42 AM

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bamsky

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 379

Is the site a scam or something? How can it be rake free?

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02-27-2009 , 02:58 PM

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AdrienD

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 504

I just saw the site too after seeing a link on bankrollmob on their bankroll page.
I don't trust it though, first I thought they would get their money from poker players playing casino games and sports betting but apparently that's also with 0% commission and house edge supposedly controlled randomly by a TRNG ( http://www.idquantique.com/products/quantis.htm ).

The company owning this pokerroom+casino+betting is gamesys N.V. in the Netherlands Antilles.

I think what needs to be done is contacting the NA government to see if this company is legit and the owners are real.
Do they have a gaming commission there ?

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04-09-2009 , 05:17 AM

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hgbrd23

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 50

just try out the free SNG 1 Table every half hour other game:stud/omaha/holdem..the first gets 10€..u are able to play 5 i think, they start with 6 players minimum i think...
cause theres so little traffic on the cash tables u can cash out via moneybookers if u earned enough...
really easy to win those SNGs..
just try it

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06-13-2009 , 05:59 AM

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mantajo

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14

I didnt deposit too, just won 10 euro on freeroll.
Found this website through Bankrollmob.
I play now 50 euro freerolls every 2 hours.

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06-13-2009 , 11:19 AM

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Lil Stealth

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 36

Sounds interesting, has anyone successfully done any withdrawals on BetRaiser? I might give it a try.

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06-13-2009 , 02:29 PM

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jumpoff

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 890

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Why mess with a winning business model?

looked up their site and it says they now take a 10% fee on the net winnings upon withdrawel.

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Originally Posted by https://www.betcruise.com/payrules/

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Example: a player makes a €100 deposit, wins €50 and then requests a withdrawal of €120. Under this scenario, the net winnings exceed the deposit by €20, i.e. a 10% house fee equals €2.

at least for micro and ss players this would be way cheaper than rake, so if the site is legit it might be interesting for many people. and regardless of whether it actually works out or not its not a dumb solution imo.

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06-13-2009 , 03:02 PM

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Lil Stealth

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wow.. 10% fee on the net winnings upon withdrawel sucks..

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06-13-2009 , 03:44 PM

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iopq

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,347

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Originally Posted by Lil Stealth

wow.. 10% fee on the net winnings upon withdrawel sucks..

rake decreases your net winnings by like 25-50%
this is interesting I have to take a look
edit: I guess they don't allow US, nm

Last edited by iopq; 06-13-2009 at 03:49 PM.

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06-13-2009 , 03:49 PM

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jumpoff

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 890

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Originally Posted by Lil Stealth

wow.. 10% fee on the net winnings upon withdrawel sucks..

...if you play nosebleeds.

id have made about 5k more this year (rakeback already included) if i withdrew everything, never deposited and paid a 10% fee. ($20-$100 buyin 6max cash nl and plo)

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06-16-2009 , 10:58 AM

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mantajo

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 14

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Originally Posted by Lil Stealth

Sounds interesting, has anyone successfully done any withdrawals on BetRaiser? I might give it a try.

I cashed out.
It was fast for me, less then 12 hours.

really, at first glance, 10 % commission looks horrible.
But if you look, it is almost like a 90% rake back, but it does not exceed 40% on the other sites with rake.

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06-22-2009 , 04:51 PM

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conoco

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 15

Hi,

withdrawals appear to be handled smoothly, but how about the poker software? Any known issues? I can't stand constant crashes, but didn't hear anything bad, so any experiences you would like to share with us here?