Wow, just wow..

hoping for the best for you guys :/ hope these criminals get punished badly!

Un-****ing-real...I hope you guys get your money back but it's not looking good.

I'm so glad I got my money off of even iPoker, **** those companies.

Stars forever!

Nothing to do with the poker side of things, but lowvig.com is clearly an affiliate of BOL also..... So if there is a sticky here anywhere, I'd bring that up too.

3rd party processors are just an angle they work, its essentially BS. As for SBR, i have filled out complaints there, posted on their forum, even called them and no response. Given all the crap surrounding betonline the fact that they rate them B+ undermines them as a legit authority on sportsbook and implies the obvious. I have every right to excuse SBR of being in bed with betonline since they need to be held accountable just like betonline. By recommending them they are just as bad if not worse, so unless SBR address this issue I am holding them accountable.

Betonline is definitely some equivalent form of a ponzi scheme in any case. Thanks for the support bro.

Regarding SBR, i have filled out complaints there, posted on their forum, even called them and no response. Given all the crap surrounding betonline the fact that they rate them B+ undermines them as a legit authority on sportsbook and implies the obvious. I have every right to excuse SBR of being in bed with betonline since they need to be held accountable just like betonline. By recommending them they are just as bad if not worse, so unless SBR address this issue I am holding them accountable.

We really apprecoate the support dude

Jesus you run bad, sorry bro

Thanks alobar, just to let you guys know I am continuing to press sbr, my first message that was ignored is as follows:

I have had a payout request for a bank to bank transaction of 15,000.00 USD approved over a month ago. For over a month I have been in contact with betonline since the funds never arrived in my account. Furthermore, for over a month they have been claiming the funds have indeed been sent and have insisted each time i have inquired, that the funds will be available soon yet they have ignored my request for a photocopy of a bank receipt or details entailing the corresponding bank and swift number so that I am able to track the alleged transaction that was supposed to have taken place. Due to the extent of time this has taken I am afraid that the issue will not be resolved by itself. I want to prevent any prospective customers from having to deal with the issues I have been having to deal with which has burdened me with a loss of my own time and effort having to chase a very possible lost cause with no acceptable outcome being reached. I feel that contacting you is the appropriate response to the situation as I have given betonline more than enough time to resolve this issue, I hope that doing so may enhance the prospect that a justful outcome is met. Fundamentally failing to pay customers as you are aware is unacceptable.

All the best.

I just sent them another message that reads:

Betonline is rated on your site as B+ which given the amount of complaints is unjustifiable. The enormous scandal is currently being exposed on 2+2, via the following link regarding hacked accounts and payouts unpaid etc http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...d-etc-1224459/

I hope you address this issue soon to maintain your credibility before our community decide to take legal action and have betonline's domain removed. Their behaviour is absolutely inexcusable and unacceptable be. Furthermore, they have gone too far and this will not be overlooked and most certainly will not go away if it continues to be ignored. No site is infallible/irreplacable and/or above the law.

Fundamentally I have no reason to continue to be civil and polite since I am well within my rights and our situation is one where we have endured more than we should have, been overly patient and forthcoming enough is enough

That's ****ing disgusting. Hope they get taken down and you get your money back. What sort of legal measures can you take against them? Since they are located in a different country then yours I would imagine there isn't much you can do?

I've read about how doing this makes it easier to be hacked by 3rd party. You really don't have any proof that BOL or its employees did this to you. Not saying they didn't, but its just speculation on your part.

Youre right.

I have to rationalize this somehow though. I have 1 logical explanation for what happened to Jake and I. Maybe there are other logical explanations, I dont really know. I certainly dont want to go around thinking this is BOL's fault if it wasn't their fault or a result of some flaw with their system/software.

If it is a flaw with their system/software it is their fault regardless given everything that BOL have done, i think it is more unreasonable to assume that what happend to you and jake wasnt intentional but thats just my opinion.

Addressing what was said about what we can do against bet online there are various measures some requiring more imagination than others but all of which I am considering. Worst case scenario I can compile email and financial evidence and get the doj to shut down their domain...serves them right for accepting US players in the first place. Obviously this wont get us our money back but at least it will put these criminals out of business. Like I have said before, just because you're registered in panama doesnt mean you have immunity from prosecution epecially when your business is conducted internationally.

@jakedamus 98 bets within 1 minute, not possible for human I guess?

"I knew Bet Online (BOL) was a high risk site when I signed up"

This is the reason why these sites get away with things like this. Last week I was bored and had 500 bucks in my MB account and decided I was going to try a new random site. I specifically thought about buying in on ENET, BOL or one of the shady sites to see how fishy they are, I changed my mind last second and went to bed but I came close. The fact that I come on here and read the horror stories yet still considered it is telling though. I think this is a representation of how much harder online games have gotten in the last few years, no real point to my post here but I hope you get things straightened out.

I worded this poorly.

Obv if it was some flaw with their system/software we should still be paid back and is their fault.

Theres always a point to post , and you are quite right, the only reason why sites get away with things like this is because people let them get away with it. I can guarentee you that BOL will definitely not get away with what they are doing, one way or another they will pay the price

I don't know how all the bets were put on in that amount of time they were all little weird bets on American baseball.

In October 2009, Joseph J. Fafone, one of the co-developers of BetOnline, was arrested at the Greater Rochester International Airport on charges of bookmaking. Fafone had $23,000 in cash with him. He pleaded not guilty. Online gambling sites operate in ambiguous legal territory. They may accept wagers legally, if such activity is allowed in the country of operation, in this case Panama.[12] Nevertheless, in the event of a U.S. Department of Justice action, assets held by BetOnline would be subject to seizure and forfeiture.


like i said their assets can be seized by us authorities its just a matter of getting it pushed, you can all view their wiki page here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BetOnline

personally I wouldn't put enet in the same group as BOL. with sites like enet you have a network of agents and affiliates and if you sign up under a reputable agent, he can greatly diminish the risk of playing there, so the only thing hurting you would be gigantic rake. with BOL there is no way to play safely, everyone is getting screwed equally, both players and affiliates

I have never hurt of a reputable network or site where you depend on agents or affiliates to make sure you won't get screwed.

^


WTF.

Good point. What does that have to do with him drawing a distinction between the two places?

This thread really should be moved to NVG

Well, another point would definitely be that my typing sucks on Sundays as I obv. meant "heard" and not hurt.

The Point Jspazz was trying to make is that they are not as bad / shady, yet he / she admits that it is better to go through an agent or affiliate to minimize the risk of getting screwed. Why would I need a random guy to ensure my funds are safe? Should this not be granted by default for any reputable business at online poker? Of course this does see a different light with the Full Tilt debacle and all the other news, but we surely don't need mafia-esque skins on a network either where we depend on luck not just for poker but also for our money.

just saw this thread on SBR forums of another person getting there account hacked for 60k -

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...e-account.html

OK so does this make it pretty ****ing clear now that BOL stole our money? Or an issue related specific to their site is the culprit?

Update:


Late last night Jake messaged me and told me BOL had returned his balance. I immediately checked my account and my $4k was returned to me.

I'm pretty thrilled at this result. It's nice to see BOL making this right (although we still have to go through the cashout phase so we'll see).

I haven't heard anything from BOL as of now. I was kind of waiting to see if they were going to email me an official statement of what happened before I submitted for a cashout. But I will probably submit a cashout soon.

I think when we are all paid there should probably be a title edit to the thread. Perhaps add "EDIT: player funds returned and paid out."

I will keep the thread updated when I ultimately receive funds.

SBR almost surely had an impact in the situation and helping us head towards a solution.

Nick