I didn’t receive my lossback for my slot play recently. I was told by their support that I wouldn’t because certain slots were excluded because they had been taken advantage of before. Can anyone verify this. I also had only cleared 72% of my first deposit bonus so far so I will not have the opportunity to clear the rest??? That’s $300+ in USD I don’t get to clear now?

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*this.

As many of you may know already. Betcoin is discontinuing its service to allow members to play poker with their Bitcoin. This was very sad news to hear.

Betcoin poker had one of the coolest VIP programs you could find. The more you played, the better your deal you'd get with rake back. This gave me a lot of incentive to play.

As many of you may have known Betcoin Poker had some very soft action. A lot of tables with little 3-betting and lots of flatting were available. People also called down a lot. I'd get paid off on a lot of my strong hands.

I was also a dick to some of you in the chat. I apologize for that. I really like winning and I hate it when other players scoop my winnings. Nevertheless, some of the things I said were a bit overboard so yeah.


At the end of it all I will greatly miss Betcoin Poker. You truly have been a good service.

Is there any other bitcoin websites out there that you 2+2ers recommend. I've been taking a look into Nitrogen Sports. It may end up being my next poker venture. Anyone else know of any good poker rooms?

I've just read through this thread and I think it is ridiculous that WichitaDM and TwitchySeal are getting angry at affiliate isnortbooze.

Apparently there has been some people getting screwed over, but isnortbooze has nothing to do with this if he is just an affiliate. That reasoning is just downright absurd.

If you guys are getting gipped, you need to focus your energy on the actual people that handle your money not a random affiliate.

I promise you that even the janitors who worked at Enron got some static when people started losing their entire savings. Were the janitors directly responsible? No. However, when you continue to work for a company with the knowledge that your income is funded in part by stolen money, it reflects on your personal ethics and judgement (or lack thereof).

Maybe they were in dire financial straits and had no choice or just dgaf what anyone else thinks. That's fine, but I wouldn't expect sympathy from the people who were stolen from.

I think isnort's best angle to salvage his rep is to slink off stage right, change his handle, stop posting, keep his head down, and hope that nobody remembers Betcoin in a year.

waiting 2 days on a rather large cashout.. was hoping they would process it quickly to ease my mind but i guess i'll just have to keep waiting. i'll post when i receive it.

In last page i talked about delayed withdraw. But problem was that i typed my btc wallet addres wrong. (one normal letter was typed in capital letter) so a bit of struggling with support i received my withdraw so no problemos.

GG Betcoin.

Pretty ridiculous that you refer to him as "affiliate isnortbooze". Like he's just another affiliate...

We don't know exactly what he was responsible for, or even if he was the poker room manager because he refuses to explain.

Read Todds post above. Hopefully he goes on the show and clears things up.

Betcoin shirt, betcoin hat, betcoin bottle.

Isnortooze is working in this picture.

We can assume he is at home based off that information.

Cane rack, its set up for ease. An elderly person lives here.

Isnortbooze wasn't a big winner, hard to believe he funded this house/lifestyle from poker alone.

Conclusion- isnortbooze is not only hustling poker players, he is hustling the elderly aswell. Mooching off others for his own benefit.

Don't forget that solid gold apple in the background. Steve Jobs never saw me comin'.

To Steve Job's credit, its hard to see snakes coming.

Betcoin just made a laughable statement:

So yeah, they're stealing the BBJ worth about $670k.

Clearly this "sale" was their way of stealing that jackpot on the way out of offering poker.

Hopefully isnortbooze will do the RIGHT THING and give us all of the information he has on the Betcoin management and ownership.

It should be clear to him by now that they are outright thieves.

The least he can do for the community, after all the promotion he did in the face of these various scandals, would be to cooperate in the identification of these thieves.

Also, as plo8monster (Randall Matthews) has made it clear he will be staying on with the "new company" (lol), we should be rounding up his information and make contact with him.

Randall is in the US and can easily be touched by both law enforcement and civil litigation, and he cannot simply claim to be a clueless employee at this point. He is definitely in on the scam.

So apparently I spammed. I posted my old affiliate link thinking since Betcoin Poker will be obsolete that it wouldn't matter anymore. I just wanted to show everyone that I was affiliating with Betcoin as well and had no knowledge whatsoever of anything going on behind the scenes. (I also had Bitcoin's falling on the website background and wanted people to see that.) Actually, I had other ads on the page so it is reasonable that I'd get the penalty. I guess I wasn't thinking that well because it was late. Nevertheless, I will be extra cautious about posting things that could rack me up penalty points in the future. Sorry mods, please don't hate me.

You're an affiliate, too?

Great.

Please PM me all the info you have on Betcoin ownership. Surely you have had plenty of contact with them and other info which can be useful to those wishing to track them down.

I have some familiarity with businesses failing and absconding with money/assets that doesn't belong to them, legally speaking. It is a slow process, but the more information you can provide, like real names and addresses, the faster the entire process is. You can attach screen shots of promises and things, too.

https://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

That is the FBI's Internet Crime tip site. The more people that file a complaint, the more weight it has. If there were/are US citizens involved, they can held responsible. It is not likely that a warning announcing that the fee they have been charging you for a fee is able to be simply cancelled. A court would likely find that the money needs to be refunded. If they are hiding behind that claim, it shows how lost they are as to corporate governance and criminality.

Just throwing it out there....

Apologies if already discussed. What would a reasonable resolution of the BBJ issue look like? I assume ideally they would have records of all BBJ donations and simply refund them. Who purchased betcoin poker?

Legally speaking, a court would likely require the reimbursement of the monies. It would be argued that it was a catalyst to play there, in fact. Depending on how many claimants were involved and the level of egregious actions, the court could demand restitution of the total rake to those that paid into it.

Since some of the people that have publicly claimed to be managing/running are US citizens, they would almost definitely be facing RICO charges in addition to running an illegal gambling operation. Those factors can easy compel some of those involved to quickly fess up to avoid incarceration. If the FBI picks up the complaints and finds some sort of case, the odds of a successful defense it microscopic. They would be best suited if they came forward and offered resolution to the players.

If no one actually purchased BetCoin or cannot be proven to have taken place on or before their statement of closing, that is also a blatant act of fraud. I don't get it. Smart enough to run a business, yet to stupid to understand the ramifications of their own actions. You cannot just charge a fee for a promo, cancel it, and keep the money. That is not only incredibly sleazy, it lowers the bar of stupid to new depths.

That link you posted is useless.

It gets many thousands of "tips" per day, most of which involve foreign scams (such as the ol' Nigerian prince scam).

As a result, almost nothing reported there is ever investigated or acted upon.

That link is thrown around the internet mainly to make people feel good that there's some way to report their crime.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but it's useless.

The only way to get the FBI's attention to someone like this is to have contact with an actual agent and get their attention enough to where they investigate.

However, there are ways to where this can be brought to the attention of law enforcement. I am waiting to see how this plays out.

I suggest that anyone peripherally involved (such as affiliates) come forward immediately and cooperate with the community, as that will matter regarding how this story is eventually framed to law enforcement.

BTW, on a lighter note, I've been screwing with their forum, and posted a message pretending to be them.

They deleted it, but let's just say that more of this is coming.

They also think they can stop the name Betcoin from being registered. Apparently not. LOL

Not really sure how that helps the situation. Seems like it has the potential to do the opposite.

How?

Do you really think there's even a tiny chance that Betcoin ever makes good?

Might as well make them look as bad as possible to those reading their forum.

I know next to nothing of what happens beyond the scenes. Anyone can choose to be an affiliate by spreading the link on each individual's profile page.

It would be interesting if they did a massive tournament for it. Another option would be to roll it over to some sort of slot machine with a big jackpot. If I was the business owner, I'd probably do the last one and use the mega jackpot as a marketing ploy to get new customers.

I agree with this. Being dishonest to try and point out other people's dishonest behavior doesn't reflect accountability.

I'm sure you've received e-mails from them. I would like you to forward them to me or someone else trusted, with full headers. Can you do this?


Never gonna happen. They are stealing the BBJ and never coming back to poker.


I'm not being dishonest. Everything I wrote about what they're doing in those posts was true. At this point, anything which discourages people from continuing to play with them is a good thing.

Well, there's pretty much zero chance it helps in any way, that couldn't have been done without confusing people. IE they can be made to look bad without posting like that.

As for how it could hurt, if we assume there's no chance they make good, what if this comes to some kind of legal proceedings down the road? Someone offers up a screenshot of that post, then a bunch of time is wasted with arguments as to whether that was or wasn't Betcoin making those posts.

Wait, you work for Betcoin?

Of course you're being dishonest if you represent yourself as being a Betcoin rep, even if everything you said was 100% true (not all of which can you know is the case).

Sure, can't argue with this. But when it can be done just as easily without causing confusion and/or potential problems, why not do so?

It's not like I'm *that* concerned. Most likely, it makes no difference. But I think there's a higher chance it does harm than good, and even if that difference is small, why go there in the first place?