I notice you refuse to actually respond to any of the substance of what I say so I must assume you agree with it. The site stole money from players. They transferred it to you to continue to attract players to the scam. Maybe Poker Jesus is the wrong guy to compare you to. But you certainly go down with people like Mark Seif who whored himself out to AP until the bitter end.

Other examples of Betcoin stealing rakeback and scams involving the BBJP. These are all from at least a year ago:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...32#msg13507632

(They only post in self-moderated threads now with armys of paid "signature campaign members" defending them)

I brought all these issues up with isnort when he was new to the site.

LOL at -256 trust on the other forum. How could Scot Lenter have known he was stealing money directly from us??? There were no signs ever of this happening!!!

Not pictured: Betcoin Poker boxers.

To be fair, it might seem slightly less bad to others depending on if they trust users the trust Betcoin or vice versa.

The scam the got the most attention was refusing to payout a progressive slots jackpot worth 1000 BTC. Changing their terms, and the payout table AFTER and eventually offering 50 BTC to the player in exchange for agreeing to let Betcoin post whatever they wanted from his forum accounts.

https://www.casinolistings.com/news/...into-agreement

I got hold of the agreement and posted it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1667860.0

Didn't bother you when you were trying to make money by starting your own affiliate program, did it? Seems like you were totally A-OK with schilling then.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2005498
I guess you are a way better person than me because you stopped all of 5 months ago.

isnort, it's not too late to at least make an effort to do right by the players.

people listen to you at Betcoin

Explain to them how ****ed up it would be to steal the BBJP, both management and the players. Don't back down or let them get off easy.

To be fair the only scam that had occurred at that point relating to poker players was the Xaio scam which they had agreed to pay out (and later didn't). I had played on Betcoin for 2 years and thought at the time they were going to uphold what they had promised to do (because at that point they always had). Unlike you once I realized they weren't going to make good on their promise I stopped shilling for the site. The BCC scam, step ticket scam and now BBJ scam all occurred well after this.

I was attempting to have another avenue for Betcoin players to get additional rakeback after the Xaio situation went down. I was attempting to do something to actually benefit players on that site. Although I never signed anyone up and stopped attempting to once Betcoin failed to make good on the Xaio rakeback payments. Meanwhile you continued attempting to sign new players up and encouraging people to play long after all of the alleged bad behavior was occurring. Do you not see the difference? For someone who claims to be a good poker player you sure are horrific at logical analysis. Here I will make it simple for you:

Once I realized Betcoin was a dishonest site that did not do what they said I stopped attempting to get people to play there. What is your excuse?

You also outted yourself as "PokerRoomRep" as I pm'ed him my SN a few days ago. I am assuming that is how you put that together. So lets just add liar into the mix with being a Mark Seif level shill who was willing to accept stolen player funds as salary for his promotion of the site.

You are STILL here arguing on their behalf when you should be arguing for the players who are being stolen from. Do you not get how wrong that is? I can admit I was wrong to trust Betcoin. Once the evidence was available to show how they stole from players I stopped. Why haven't you? Why don't you use your position to have stolen funds returned? The fact you are here to attack people exposing Betcoin for the fraudulent site that it is says a lot.

I mean Scot Lenter doesn't have to go down as an unabashed shill for a site that stole 7 figure in player funds. That part is up to you.

I put it together by your very nice comments about me in the player chat and forum.
It's an absolute joke that you think you are high and mighty for stopping your affiliate program 5 months ago, then stopped when you felt like you got screwed. You even posted on that thread how Betcoin has had problems in the past but is better now etc... You waited until you personally felt screwed before you stopped the very same shilling you are blaming me for.
And right now I am strictly arguing on my own behalf.
I haven't attacked anyone. I came here because I heard Twitchy was posting about me. This is the first time I have commented on this thread, I believe.
Also, the Daily coin ended June 11 and your post was after that. You are acting like this 5 month gap you had ahead of me makes you a much better person. I didn't think I was doing anything wrong promoting Betcoin. Betcoin has always been great to me.

This is not true.
Perhaps the issues didn't affect you or you didn't know about them, but there were plenty.

For example: LINK

Read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261

This is incredibly ****ed up logic.

Right, this is my point. He stopped promoting the site at an arbitrary time when it affected him the most. This happened to occur before this situation. Doesn't mean I am a piece of **** and he is totally fine.

I didn't have an affiliate program. I had and have zero players under me. I also stopped attempting to sign anyone up once the bad behavior started earlier this year. Before that Betcoin had mostly been a good place to play.

Meanwhile you accepted money up to the bitter end and were tweeting attempting to get people to play this week.

I am not sure how much more clear I can make it but that is a big difference especially since almost all of the bad behavior by the site occurred long after I made a half hearted attempt to sign anyone up only because most of the regs at Betcoin just lost 40% rakeback due to Betcoin's own lies and negligence. At that point none of us knew they were going to reneg on their promise to actually pay the rakeback owed previously.

Meanwhile after most of Betcoin's bad behavior you continued full force, continued to accept a paycheck for your "job" and are still here trying to defend your despicable actions.

I mean come on man. False equivalence much? It is ok to say I am sorry I was a despicable piece of human garbage who got a lot of people stolen from long after the evidence existed to know that Betcoin was a site not worth trusting.

I stopped promoting it after Betcoin failed to make rakeback payments they promised to make. How is that hard to understand? If you use a little of your brain power you can see I stopped in July. That also happens to be right around the time that Betcoin announced they were refusing to make payments they promised. There was nothing arbitrary about it...

So you're both pieces of ****?

I am not going to disagree with you. I was probably unaware of problems. I first became aware of major problems in June of 2017 when Betcoin failed to make promised rakeback payments. After that I did not promote the site in any capacity. The only time I ever promoted it in any capacity is that one forum post regarding a post-Xaio rakeback program that did not get off the ground.

That is an entirely different situation than literaly shilling day in and day out for the site long after MAJOR player fund theft had occurred and continued to occur.

He is attempting to make me trying to get Betcoin players extra rakeback equivalent to his horrible behavior to get him off the book for shilling for Betcoin literally up until this week. I mean he got a paycheck, I got $0. I made a couple forum posts he has made dozens of tweets, videos, twitch streams, etc.

It's not remotely comparable.

I promoted Betcoin based on the way I was treated by them. I didn't use this forum. I had never been on Bitcoin Talk. Of course I heard bad things but every time someone came to me with an issue I helped get it resolved. As far as I know all withdrawls were processed quickly and all winnings were paid. I didn't have an affiliate so maybe I didn't understand the ramifications of that extra money, but isn't Xiao the one who stole it? I don't want to keep rehashing this ****. I am just asking you to see things from my perspective. If you cannot do that, I can't do anything about it. But my intentions were good.

You got 0 because you couldn't sign any affiliates. You certainly tried.

Reposting this, I think it's really important:

isnort, it's not too late to at least make an effort to do right by the players.

people listen to you at Betcoin

Explain to them how ****ed up it would be to steal the BBJP, both management and the players. Don't back down or let them get off easy.

Xaio had a special deal with Betcoin that no other affiliate could get. As such most of the regs were under his flag. Betcoin may have had no liability until they said they were going to pay. After they promise to pay they should have right? Betcoin promised to reimburse people for step tickets when they cancelled the steps. They certainly should have fulfilled that promise right? Betcoin promised people would get BCC. They certainly should have fulfilled that promise right? Betcoin had a BBJ that presumably would be paid out. They certainly should have fulfilled that promise right?

So help us get BBJ money back? Help us get the rakeback money back? I wasn't affected by the BCC thing but help that money get restored.

Bottom line is the site hasn't been ethical for a long time. I obviously didn't realize it until July or so of this year but since then I stopped playing there and I stopped promoting the site.

I attempted (and failed) to start a post-xaio affiliate program because I would prefer the players to get the money over Betcoin. I wasn't going to make much based on the % i was offering and what I would get (and I got 0 as like you said I signed no one up). If that makes me a bad person then so be it. My goal was certainly nothing other than trying to replace somewhat the level of rakeback players were getting before the Xaio scandal. Trying to make me equivalent to your level of wrong doing is laughable. I have a long history of being an ethical participant both in the poker community and in this forum as I have made literally millions of dollars worth of bets in this forum without escrow and paid every $$$ I have ever owed.

What you seem incapable of comprehending is you were clearly aware of some of these issues as you cite them yourself. Instead of lobbying to fix them you continued to constantly post to twitter etc. If you don't want to be associated with the Betcoin scam then why so intentionally attach your name to it every day for over year Scot Lenter? I mean that is a vastly different level of involvement than attempting to replace rakeback for players. I was attempting to be part of the solution. You have never been anything but part of the problem. But hey keep making excuses.

I hope they compensate us for the BBJ. I hope you get a sense of ethics and move on to something more ethical than your previous "job". I hope the poker community in general gets more ethical.

I just doubt any of that happens based on the evidence.

I understand, Twitchy, and that is a valid concern. So far I know what you know. Believe it or not, I don't have much pull but it is something I will look into.

The 2017 word of the year is complicit

Yeah, you were doing a service by attempting to "replace rakeback." Sounds legit. You would've been earning that same money that you claim is stolen and who is to say that if you actually were capable of signing anyone up that you wouldn't have kept it going. The only major issue I was aware of was the Xiao thing and I continue to blame Xiao for that issue.

How about you get to work getting the 7 figure amount stolen from the players returned and then get back to us before you decide to continue on this stupid derail.

I see why betcoin hired you. You are as intellectually dishonest as they are.

Let's bet 5k on whether they pay the bbj. We .can escrow to a trusted member of the forum.

I mean I am owed 5 figures between unpaid rakeback and the bbj money they stole from me. Meanwhile you have been getting a salary from the site up until today. And you want me to be the villain and you the victim. Do you not understand just how ridiculous that Is?