Bastards.

If possible, could someone look into whether Battlefield or any other skin for that matter are legally liable in any way? I mean, they didn't mention Tusk anywhere on their terms of service, the Battlefield owner didn't even know who Payment On Net were(Tusk) and yet they were the ones responsible for getting Battlefield customers money on and off the site.

Yes I am in Thailand as it is dirt cheap to live there, Malta on the other hand is not, I no longer have a home there due to this entire mess. Basically I have nothing further to report. There's no point in me posting here if I have no news. I am not sure what everyone wants to hear from me, I always answer private messages whenever anyone has anything to ask me.

We have to wait for the liquidators. I know it doesn't mean much to anyone in here that Tusk has been delinquent on 90% of all of Battlefield Poker's money owed to ME.

I know it doesn't help me to say we have to wait for the liquidators, but we do. It is a legal matter now with Tusk, the liquidators and MGS.

Yes we knew Tusk handled the money, Battlefield Poker, Rednines, RoyalCardClub were basically super affiliates. Tusk handled everything from payments, to support, to emails (except affiliate emails). The start up cost was $0.00.

We thought we had some solutions for another network to take on the player balances, but each time we did, we kept running into ro*******s, and that ro******* would be the liquidators. Each time we made progress, the liquidators would not help us.

For example, if someone took over the player balances NOW and let's say next month you got all your money back, then the players would get double paid.. Unless the liquidators would transfer all those funds to the poker room that took on the debt.

This is the problem, the liquidators won't talk to us.

So what is next?

We have no choice but to wait and see how much the liquidators will give back to the players

THEN

We have to see if MGS will help out at all

THEN

We will see if any network is interested in taking on the player balances

I want to close by stating that we are owed ALOT of money by Tusk and I plan to put every penny of it back to the players. I believe you the players were wronged, and this whole situation is ****ed up. But believe me, it was out of our hands. We were completely blind sided. I know you like to think it was all due to rakeback, but that is false. The contracts Tusk had with MGS stated if there was rakeback violations that there were steps, fines, disconnected from the network for a time. NONE of this happend. The bottomline is Tusk's operating costs exceeded what they were earning. They were FAR bigger in the Casino game than poker.

I'll be around to answer private messages.

Whether you want to believe BP or not, this seems like the logical steps this process would go through; that's what I've always thought. I don't understand why everyone's become so certain that MG will do nothing. I'm not saying they will, but a couple of months ago there was some hope in this thread that they would help out; the last couple of weeks it seems everyone is convinced that they absolutely will not.

I know it must really suck to have your money tied up for months with nothing you can do about it, but I don't know that there's much else that can be done until the liquidators see the process through.

Do you know what the combined player balances of Battlefield players is? If so, do you know the figure for all of Tusk?

How is it that the casino was so quickly moved to another group? Surely this would have had to be the liquidator's doing? When you say they were far bigger in the casino game, do you mean that the expenses were larger or that Tusk was more involved?

I just believe that MGS could fairly easily have got an estimate off the liquidator and then made a decision based on that. This seems to be what happened to the casino accounts anyway. I in no way believe that MGS are doing everything that they could be doing. In fact, I've been given no reason to believe that MGS are doing anything at all.

Fair enough, neither have I. I'm just pointing out that all hope may not be lost. I sincerely wish you all the best of luck.

MustMuck I answered your question via your PM. Like I said, I am not, and have not ever been dodging anyone ever. I have always answered private messages with all the information I have (Which is very little).

Imagine you are me and things are running smooth for several years then without warning the carpet is pulled out from you, 90% of your earnings are in someone else's hands.

I can answer the players debt for you and how much it is in public: We don't know. We asked Tusk for all the player balances, denied (Their lawyers would not allow them to release the information).

We asked the liquidators, DENIED. We even went to their office in Australia, a secured building and they would not meet with us. This presented us another problem when we found sites that would take on the player debt, how do we know how much each player is owed? That information has been made unavailable to us.

We are at their Mercy right now, we are in the dark as much as you.

I am happy to answer any questions you have in private, and it is not much

It should be a very simple matter for a creditor to assign their interest to a new poker room (or anyone else for that matter). Creditors of companies in insolvency proceedings worldwide sell that debt at a discount by the millions of dollars every day.

If you are asking the liquidators to transfer 100% of a creditor's claim in the form of cash to another poker room right now, it should be obvious why the liquidator won't do it. Transferring 100% of the creditor's interest in payment from the proceeds of the liquidation should be permissible. That way, every creditor still gets treated equally.

I still don't get exactly what you wanted the liquidators to do, but it does sound like you were somehow asking for preferential treatment for your players over other poker and casino players caught in the Tusk insolvency. The liquidators really can't help you if that is the case.

We were asking the liquidators for 3 things:

#1 Progress, what is going on? They wouldn't answer us

#2 The player balances, how much is each player owed? They wouldn't tell us

#3 This one is the biggest one, whatever money WOULD have went to the players, we would have liked it to go to a poker site that would have taken on the player debts (we had 2 sites \ networks who stepped up ready to work this out). This would have been a VERY good resolution for the BFP players. Again, no response

I think you are right though, we wanted to take care of the BFP players. We had a solution, we had an answer.. We didn't expect them to transfer the entire balance, we just wanted whatever money the players would have recieved sent to a different creditor. The players would have been paid in full by these poker rooms.

I guess, was it so wrong of us to only think about the BFP players? Maybe. But we were and still are trying anything we can think of. Sadly, we have to wait like everyone else.

Hey BFP, thanks for reappearing and it's good to know you're still keeping track of things here.

Out of interest, these deals that were brokered with the other networks/rooms that were put on halt by the liquidators, are these still available i.e if the information becomes available from the liquidators, will these networks/rooms still be interested in brokering a deal and moving things on? Or have the arrangements died as a consequence?

Would you mind if MustMuck pasted your answers here? I really think that things are best off out in the public at the moment, even if it's rumours, speculation etc etc because even though you're the operator of the site that is in trouble, it appears you're on the same level as the rest of us with regards to dealings with Tusk, Microgaming and the liquidators.

Have you looked into legal options with regards to Tusk, as many players have? And if so, what were your findings?

I really wish there were some way to get the liquidators moving a bit i.e forget about waiting another two months for proof of debt forms to come back in and start preparing the reports on Tusk.

It certainly will be interesting to see what they publish in the future though, even if we have to wait a while, it'll be very interesting to see how much money was in circulation and how much (if any) Tusk have squandered.

Insiders have stated that MGS has already decided not to reimburse funds and will not officially address the issue ever again.

also ty to BFP for at least responding. To my knowledge he is the only poker room manager still posting (all others seem to have run off) so that at least gives me some hope.

I received a reply from Per Thorn the Rednines Manager today:

I don't get why he couldn't just reply to my e-mail, but I'll let you guys know what he had to say when he logs on to MSN.

Good to hear rednines still here.

I am really hoping that BFP or rednines can come through to help players expecially since they have connections in the poker world. I would like to see more public communications issued by them as I'm sure it would help calm fears from players and also build trust.

Good question, from conversations we've had recently, something different will have to be done now. There is still interest, but sadly it is not in the spotlight anymore. We are still pressing the issue at every turn.

It's not that the liquidators HALTED us, they just don't respond. We are not looked at, as that important to them.

I posted one of Muck's questions, about how much player balances are. I don't mind.

Yes we are on the same level with the rest of you, however, I have less to gain than you. The players have money to gain, I have pledged any of my 90% I am owed back to the players. I have nothing to gain except trying to right a wrong.

Legal options with Tusk, there are no legal options. We have looked into it. They are gone, out of business, liquidated. There is no more Tusk.


With regards to not posting, it's been a struggle. Should I post? Why post I have no news.. Everytime I post it seems like I get major backlash. I am trying, but there is literally nothing I can do. I think I am in a worse position than the players.

Well it's good to hear that *something* is in the mix. It'd actually be a good opportunity for another network really, as if they can transfer the player balances with some kind of withdrawal restrictions they'll not only gain a ton of players but their act of "kindness" will only be seen in a good light really so it'd mean some player retention etc etc.

And it's quite tragically funny that we're the ones effectively paying them to do the job

How much are you owed by Tusk? I assume you're not looking for the $25k set up fee back anyway? Did they retain a lot of money such as rake which they were due to pay to the skins or...?

Just trying to get some idea of the ballpark figure of the amount of cash they "have" that doesn't belong to them, I posted previously that Rednines reportedly have at least 3.5mil in player balances alone caught up in this, I suppose the bigger the figure the better really as it means the cost of the liquidation will be less felt although if a huge chunk of it is missing from Tusk squandering it, I would sincerely question wtf they were doing with it.

Yeah definitely post. You're going to face backlash as you're seen as the company and therefore there'll be a lot of questions asked, although you've answered a ton over the past few months and I've a document in the making detailing the events day by day which should hopefully stop people coming in and asking the same stuff as before.

As I said, due to your capacity you're going to be asked a ton of questions and won't be able to provide answers as noones giving them to you yourself which has/may/will cause frustration as you're "the company" and are expected to know more than the rest of us, despite the fact that you seemingly don't!

But posting is certainly better than not posting. Also, try to keep everything in the thread, with regards to pm's try and answer them all here because as I said before, rumours, speculation, "unofficial" news etc etc is all better than nothing and will appease people more than "I've nothing to say really", if you get me.

I am not sure this would be the proper place to post something like this. MGS was aware of the balance owed, Tusk knows and the liquidators know.

There was no 25k setup fee, it was $0.00.. Like I said, think of BFP as a super affiliate. The only fee was buying the domain, they even made the initial webpage.

While I don't want to get anyones hopes up, I have been messaging some of the bigger players and more active posters for awhile picking their brains and asking them what would work, what wouldn't. What if we did this, what if we did that. You are on the right track and that is something we are trying to do. Win\Win situation for everyone. Again, nothing can be done without the balances though, which we don't have..

I have NO clue what the balance is. Tusk shut off our access to the player balances that day (or shortly thereafter). I believe some of the skins pulled their stats just before or days before.

I was actually a player on Rednines and not BF, but I got curious reading your responses. Since you have pledged the amount to the players either way, don't you think a large number will make them hopeful in recovering their money. What reason would you have not to disclose it?

What do you mean by "pledged"? Have you talked to players with large balances on PM and told them to make good on whatever they lose or do you intend to go through a process where people tell you much they lost after the liquidation and you pay out a quota?

pretty sure he means that whatever he gets back from the liquidators he will give to the players

I understood that part, but I'm wondering how he would go about it when he said he has no clue what the balances are.
Basically I'm asking if he has already pledged that money to some players on PM that have large balances or if he would start a process where people submit their results from the liquidation process and then some sort of quota is payed depending on the money they are still owed.

is it me, or doesn't anyone else think the liquidators aren't looking too flash at the moment?

What is legally expected from them?

I can't belive they BFP turned up and couldn't meet with them. That is pretty much BS IMO.


BFP, your recent posts I imagine have increased your standing in this thread significantly.

Is this a standard procedure in liquidations?

We're hoping when the liquidators are done that someone will give us the remaining balances. Maybe former Tusk can after its over, maybe the players can submit to us whatever they submitted to the liquidators. Maybe MGS will give it to us if they don't make good.

hello, this is a very long post. Can somebody tell me a small resumee? what interests me most is, is it still possible to play on microgaming sites? and if yes is secure? Can I cash my money out again? thx for any reply to this!

No, read the ****ing thing if you're actually interested in getting your money back.

very nice reply, i love u too.

I have no money on any microgaming site but maybe wanted to open an account on a skin from the network, but before doing that I wanted to make sure there is no risk in doing that.

anyone friendlier willing to answer my question?