so far as i know rakerebate definitly has something to do with red9s

What really annoys me about all this, is that only 2 of the 28 sites affected by this are guilty of breaking Microgaming Rakeback rules.... In effect sites like RCC are being hammered through no fault of doing anything wrong, but because Microgaming had planned to revoke the license of two other sites, and just because RCC happen to use the same payment provider (Tusk), as the two guilty sites, then RCC get dragged into all of this....

IF RCC go down owing to this, without having broken any rules, and by not doing anything wrong, then I am 100% done with Microgaming....

Geoff

Well we no nothing more at our end. MPP sent out an official email last night stating it is the hands of their lawyers, I am a little confused as to were the actual problem lies. At first it appeared to be Tusk's liquidation but now it appears to have swung back to BFP and R9's. The original email from MGS to Tusk basically said it was just R9's and BFP that were being pulled. No problem with that as it states that there have been constant violations of the rakeback regulations by these two.

So....

What has happened for the other 26 poker rooms including ourselves to be pulled into this mess???

We must be the smallest of the 26 rooms. I have face-to-face contact with all our online players from our live tournaments, they are quite understanding and if we get the greenlight to go back online then I am sure that most of them will have no problem playing at our site again as we don't really have any big hitters our guys tend to play because of the community with have..It is the bigger rooms like Arctic and RCC that are going to suffer as players will now be looking elsewhere to play.

I still cannot get any information out of MGS and we are now closing in on the weekend, so this saga will no doubt run on until Monday with very little information coming out of either camp.

I'm unsure of what to do regarding attempting a withdrawal or leaving it sitting in the account, however I'm not too worried about it as Microgaming have proved in the past to be trustworthy when these things happen. I've sent on a screenshot of my account balance to Battlefield (as have some friends of mine)though to provide some sort of proof as to the amount I'm due should there be complications regarding this.

I'm hoping this gets sorted out soon, but luckily enough I'd just payed my rent so am safe enough in that regard.

From what I understand, all 28 use(d) Tusk as the site they got a skin from (ie were not directly licensed with Microgaming). If this is the case, that would explain all 28 getting hit.

Perhaps someone from Arctic / RCC / etc can confirm

Yes everyone use's Tusk, however, only BFP and R9 were to be stripped of access to the MGS network.....then something changed.

I believe the "something" you're refering to is Tusk going into liquidation (?)

I'm getting only 30% at rednines. Did I miss something?

This has nothing to do with rakeback violations. It has to do with Tusk liquidating. Tusk is primarily in the casino business, they have one of the oldest casino groups out there (Casino Action), and they used Microgaming software. Microgaming made money off these guys, they would not kick them out because two of their sub-licenced poker sites violated the rakeback rules and then lie about the reason for kicking them out in a press release.

If certain sites are able to take care of their players by joining other sites not affected by this then they should be commended not punished by players immediately withdrawing their entire rolls and putting it on a different skin or site.

MICROGAMING ISSUES UPDATE ON TUSK TERMINATION

Liquidator's assessment now awaited

Microgaming has followed up on an earlier announcement that it has terminated its licensing agreement with the Tusk group following the latter's advice that it is seeking liquidation.

The Microgaming update advises as follows:

"Following the termination of the software licence with Tusk Investment Corporation Limited (Tusk), players are understandably experiencing frustration with the lack of information about their accounts with Tusk.

"Microgaming has unfortunately heard nothing further from Tusk itself, and has yet to be advised of the details of the appointment of a liquidator for Tusk. Until a liquidator advises on Tusk’s financial position and ability to pay players and to pay Tusk’s white labels and affiliates, Microgaming is unable to assess the situation.

"This position is quite separate from the Microgaming Poker Network as a whole, which continues to operate as before. Microgaming will of course continue to keep people informed as the situation unfolds."

The Tusk group's "Safe and Fair" seals from the standards and player protection body eCOGRA were pulled some two weeks ago following the discovery of non-compliance irregularities on a routine on-site review by an eCOGRA professional team. Subsequently, Tusk advised Microgaming that it was seeking liquidation, leading to the termination of its software license from Microgaming.
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That can't be good

I'm sure these eCOGRA safe and fair seals were still on the Battlefield website earlier today, but now they are gone.

mh so still nothing new, this sux

word

What i've been told is this:
RakeReduction/RakeUpdate owns Battlefield
and RaketheRake and RakeRebate own Red Nines

So what we can deduce from the info we've seen and sequence of events is that these two entities somehow violated rakeback terms repeatedly (apparently despite warnings according to the letter) and therefore had their skins pulled (R9 and BFP) effective March 3rd. Tusk then turns around and declares that they're liquidating which makes MGN pull the plug on all the skins. The question is why is Tusk liquidating? i hope it's not so they can someow legally take our money without any recourse. or is it simply b/c they feel they can't operate profitably without the skins. And did the revocation of the ecogra seals have everything to do with MGN making their move originally on the two biggest skins? the timing of it all sure makes that seem true.

And now Microgaming is trying to deflect blame with their most recent statement. Their reputation is at stake here so they need to reassure players that if Tusk acts without honor they will continue to take care of their loyal player base by stepping up like they apparently have done in the past..
they started this ball rolling and need to step up soon or they're gonna get slammed in the poker/gambling community.

also why would MGN pull the plug on everyone without fair warning for everyone? It's really fishy and irresponsible. They messed with lives and livelihoods here. Tusk is to blame for sure for losing their ecogra seals but Microgaming are not in the clear here at all b/c they froze the money by pulling the skins without any warning imo.

Anyone know much about Tusk? Based in Australia? anyone versed in Australian finance ways? how long does this liquidator **** take usually?

Before everyone starts laying blame, and making accusations, I wanted to hopefully clear some things up.

As bobo fett had pointed out earlier that we do indeed know the owner of Battlefield Poker. Nic is a CLOSE personal friend of mine. We (rakereduction \ rakeupdate) do not have a stake in Battlefield Poker other than the great deal we have. Nic had got us started in the industry and we took off from there. We have already secured a new deal for our player base.

Before you start making accusations of who is responsible and what not, please take the time to look at the big picture. MGS sent out a press release that Tusk was in liquidity, I don't recall anything being mentioned about rakeback. Also note that Tusks's casinos got their seals pulled 12 days prior to this event.

With that said, our priority is making sure players get their money at this point. We have been told "Unofficially" that in the past if there were ever issues MGS took on the player balances.

With regards to should you cashout, should you wait. I don't know but I dont think it really matters at the end of the day. I think its ridiculous that MGS has not responded other than the brief press statement and the Tusk people aren't talking either.

Anyways, hope that clears things up, we will do our best to update our membership at rakeupdate.com as always.

Cheers

Gimme a break. Many people have seen the letter to Tusk that clearly states Rednines and Battlefield are being shutdown because of rakeback violations. I'm sure you've seen it. I'm sure Nic has seen it.

Thanks for this, gives some hope regarding getting money out.

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What does this mean?

real question is why he uses this situation to advertise this new deal and why he bothters doing this in first place, since noone sane will go back to a prima skin after they get their money out of battlefield

Means they have a new site inplace if battlefield goes bust. Dosent think of the fact that our BR's are stuck there.

If it does go bust and take our money i hope nobody plays at any microgameing site. The only reason i signed up to a site i never heard of is because of rakereductions offer and now because of it most of my money is stuck there. Plus 'PRIMA' is supposed to be a reputable company.

I think you're wrong here. In my opinion, microgaming is the most secure place to have your money. If you know that whatever happens, microgaming will be there to cover your back. That would show some class from microgaming. But if we dont get our money back, then microgaming will have some serious issues I think.