http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol

On how to contact Interpol Canberra (Australia):

http://www.afp.gov.au/__data/assets/...poladvice1.pdf

I do think it’s a good idea to fight our status as unsecured creditors, I just feel that the correct way to do this would be through the court system and not via Interpol. Of course the liquidators have an interest in us being unsecured creditors because that way they can cover their fees from our money, but its going to be quite far fetched convincing Interpol to take any action against the law firm here.

I think there are lots of angles a lawyer could try to work and be fairly creative with.

What I would really like to know is: (just some random thoughts)

At what point did we agree that the deposited funds could be used to invest in their business? I unfortunately don’t have the T&C to Rednines anymore (I requested them from the Rednines manager a few hours ago -let's see if these guys even check their emails anymore), but I’d be very surprised if something to that effect was in there. I think a reasonable person would expect that if he gave a company money “to hold” to make future business easier (i.e. playing poker / not having to deposit each time), that there is also an implid agreement that the money can’t be spent and actually doing so would amount to embezzlement.

Also the director should have a special duty towards preserving those funds and if he failed in doing so should be liable with his own assets (maybe he has a nice house ) – that being the whole wrongful / fraudulent trading angle.

And finally, if we were defrauded (in our dealings with Skin/Tusk/MGS) or a crime has actually been committed or maybe even the entire business model itself is illegal (I think it’s a fairly valid concern, that since we were primarily dealing with the skin, that it might be illegal for the skin to "move" the money to a 3rd party (TUSK) without holding the funds in trust there), shouldn’t our remaining funds be secluded from the liquidation process?!

Tusk wasn't a third party: they were the poker room you were dealing with. I understand you think you were dealing with a skinned (branded) entryway, but you weren't. Unless the skin did some false advertising I don't think they come into it, since they were only a marketer. They never processed or held the money, held a gaming license, ran the poker room, or anything.

Hm good point, my question then would be, wouldn't the marketer have a duty to disclose at some point who we are actually dealing with? I mean an idea could be to attempt to void the contract with Tusk then and thus removing our funds (or whatever is left) from the liquidation process.

What if we organized a mass spam on their remaining skins. Where 20+ ppl send out some well written easy to read messages about the risk of playing on MSG on the table chats.

It could atleast make a dent, and spread some awareness to the many many players who have no idea and otherwise would never know.

Now that simspartners is making the liquidation i think that your claiming power and rights should increase because there are legal procedures going on and before you guys only had some shady poker sites that went down with your monies.

You should pressure simspartners to release some info, some kind of legal report, or schedule to terminate the liquidation maybe some australian lawyer could help doing that, it is already time to know what is going on.

Don't forget that slow liquidations make them more money, and it is your money they want, so trying to make them speed up the process is always a good idea.

been there, done that

Does anybody have an idea how long this process is going to take?

My whole roll is tied up in this, and I really want to play a lot of Poker this summer!

The sun
The mirror
The star

One would be intrested they have ladbrokes, Unibet alot of em are based in the uk bad press is the way to get things moving. So whos the novelist?

I think your best off assuming it is gone and be suprised with whatever you get back, when you get it back!

I made this! I'm lucky because i have 30% of my bankroll on stars to mtt.
Now i made the bankroll again.

By now i don't put any money in casino without a good name and who offer
god promotions...

It's sad....

Let's wait and see........

meh this **** is so ****ed up, bump, is this the longest thread on 2p2 ever?

20pages and going...

Seeing as there are 3 longer threads just on the first page of this forum alone (one of them more than 5 times as long), I'll say no.

ye I just saw the danger_aw thread a minute after I wrote that and felt incredibly dumb.

Hey Guys,

Even though I didnt lose any money, Ive been following the thread.

Has anyone emailed a detailed account of what has happened to any Australian papers? I think it isnt a bad idea. www.theage.com.au is one and is part of a national network of papers. Link them to this thread as well as let them know about the Australian angle.

As far as liquidators go it could take a long time ie +12 months. Its just the way it go's here. I also dont hold much hope of you being anything else but unsecured creditors if Tusk didnt hold the money separately.

FYI during a liquidation the money gets paid out in this order(i'm pretty sure)

1. liquidators
2. tax department
3. employees
4. secured creditors
5. unsecured creditors

****ty situation.

This is not correct order. Many people on this thread have already posted the correct order. Plus simpartners has a FAQ as well outlining it.

But in all honesty the order doesn't matter since poker players will be paid out last as unsecured creditors.

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Simpartners lol............

Liquidation brought to you by the good civilians of Sim city 3000, and The Sims, disco nightclub.

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the liquidators don't really respond to emails do they?

Just out of curiousity, what did you write to them?

They do reply if you file a claim and ask for a confirmation, outside of that I have not contacted them yet.

I asked for an update on the situation in the email.

And just called them because I got no response on the mail. So talked to someone and she says that they are still working on it and again she could give me no timeframe whatsoever. ("It's a slow process") She told me that we would definatly not be getting 100% back (but I guess no-one was expecting that anyway). She couldn't give an estimate on how much we would get back but when I asked if there was a chance we wouldn't get anything she did say that we would get some %.

But like always there is no any F'ing news and it seems like everybody has forgotten it. The site I work for no longer does any business with microgaming so that's one thing that makes me somewhat feel better. Although this situation still has me on Life Tilt...


So standard BS like the last 4 months again....

bigt2k4 any updates from your father or is he also unable to get anything together?

Well thats good to hear that we will get at least someting (however little it may be). I guess this means simspartners knows how much TUSK has (otherwise how can they say this). Now the question is when are they going to disclose TUSKs financial position to us....

Sigh, this whole process is soooo frustrating. Did you by any chance ask if they know when any documents will be made available for the creditors?

It might be an idea to try and get through to MR Grant Sparks / Ray Richards, although that could prove difficult. The sad part is that its in their interest to prolong the liquidation process as they make more money that way.

Without getting an on location lawyer its pretty much impossible to put any pressure on them to speed up the process. Ditto for challenging our status as unsecured creditors. They are aware of that and respond in kind.

If the money wasn't held in trust expressly, at the very least it should be examined whether there might be a resulting trust out of our contractual relationship with Tusk. Imho its clearly unequitable for them to hold our deposits in any other way and thus should have been held in trust.

If any of the guys here that have more than my measly 10k at stake here and thus might be wise in getting a lawyer, thats the first question they should ask him imho.

Well last time I called (more then a month ago) I did speak to Grant Sparks, and this time they weren't in but I insisted to talk to someone because I was tired of not hearing anything so I'm guessing that if you call them there is a decent chance to speak to one of them. (the would be in again the next day)...

But the time difference is pretty ****ty for me becaue I have to call them between 5 am and 11 am or something (when I'm always sleeping).

But more people calling is always better imo.

I've often thought about this obvious conflict of interest in this process. I'm sure it's reasonable to assume that they are acting honorably but it's human nature for an organization in their position not to be ultra-motivated to keep the process minimally priced, as who exactly would be keeping them in check when it's all said and done. I mean, by law we have to accept what they say or pursue expensive legal options just to see we have been treated fairly, which would suck ballz imo. Kind of a sick spot.