How cheap is cheap? I've heard bluesq provide a similar service, but I have no idea how much it costs in comparison.

All the poker rooms were licensed by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission in the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake, Canada, did they released any statement?

In the poker room sites in the section "about us", "contact us" and "Terms and conditions" no one mention about Tusk or white label operators or the phone numbers, adresses, fax or any kind of company identification, wich usually is a sign of a not trustfull poker room to deposit our money.

http://www.royalcardclub.com/aboutus.php

http://www.rednines.com/tc.php

http://www.arcticpoker.com/contactus.php

is this the same battlefield ?
http://battlefieldpoker.pkrrm.com/

ya it sure is set up for them to cover there azz nicley rip off the players funds blame it on some 3rd party banking company that no one has heard of until they steal all the loot, then MG saves face says we had nothing to do with it wasnt our company (way out to cover there azz) business runs as normal for what skins are left on MG and who ever wants to come back and depo and in teh process MG gets rid of all the useless skins they had anf figures this will just blow over in a few months.

its like a longer version of the dutch boyd hustle that went down yrs agon on his site.

interesting, wenn i go on www.pkrrm.com I'm redirected to arctic poker. Also, I've never seen this version of BFP's website.

yup, thats what you should get:

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/pkr...loads/7246090/

Hi, wtf is this pkrrm.com deal with battlefield and arctic poker? Someone explain? Is it their goal to relaunch the site under a new payment processor and leave us suckers high and dry with tusk? This site I hope is a sign that things are getting resolved and we'll get back to normal but if it's not I will be soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pissed off.

So you're giving away the players money, (at least hundreds of thousand dollars) to someone you never heard of? Now I'm getting really concerned...

What got me concerned was the msn quote, that all communication was done through there, not very secure either....

And the fact that all skins are refusing to disclose contact information for tusk...

Or the fact that skins seem to think that being located in vanatu increases the chances of us getting our money back

This looks more and more like a scam every day.

At this point I really think MGS is the only hopem tusk and the skins seem incapable or not wanting to help. If we turn this into a public marketing issue I think MGS will realize they need to do something

One thing for sure, somebody got very rich because of this fiasco.

what the ****, this whole thing gets more ****ed up every day

I just feel so sorry for the people that got a ****load of money tied up there, this is all so much ****ing bs

why would MG care im sure they have all kinds of access there money its business as normal there all focus on software upgrade forwhat skins are left. all i can say is im a fulltime player of MG for last 5 yrs an people tel me im crazy, i have defended MG for years saying its the best on net for poker thankfully i have no funds tied up in this fiasco cause my funds were on a safe skin but it dont leave me much faith of MG if they dont resolve players issues quickly or even respond to it. now i wake up everyday to log in and i feel thats the biggest gamble of the day, who noes what so called ISSUE could appear an were tommorow.

well this makes me AFRAID to put money on ANY microgaming skin, and i was thinking of putting money on eurolinx or pokertime to get a BONUS. how can i know its safe to put money on ANY microgaming site, if microgaming is not willing to cover the players acct balances? at least if they didnt wanna cover the big balances but would cover the acct balances of anyone whose acct is UP TO $500, that would make the 90% with balances less than $500 anyway feel a whole lot safer. someone get a microgaming rep to answer this post, or im not depositing on ANY of their sites.

Anyone who deposits money into any microgaming skin before this problem is resolved is basically asking for their money to be stolen.

In general these are the least valuable customers on the whole network. They refuse to patronize the network unless they get a huge discount. That might be OK if they could be serviced quietly. But inevitably rakeback publicity becomes so loud that it permeates every corner of the network and causes the good customers to demand rakeback too.

Not having a small-operator solution is a bad thing for Microgaming because ...

Seriously, what part of the Tusk business model would they be hoping to preserve? High-publicity rakeback factories like BFP and R9s? The murky dealings with giant rakeback affiliates? Boutique operators who operate with zero supervision and play on their own skins? The quality financial controls and transparent accounting?

Never underestimate the ability of the poker press to bury bad news that would embarrass advertisers or decrease public interest in poker.

What's bothering me the most, is how slow the process is. My recap of this is probably not exact, but if I can sum this up.

Out of the blue, the ecogra seal gets pulled. A week later, the skins get shut down. A couple of days later we get an official statement from Microgaming. This statement says that they are awaiting word from Tusk and appointing a liquidator. Then after a week, with no word from anyone at all, we get the message from Microgaming. "We have appointed a liquidator". If that takes a week, I'm thinking my $$$ will surface around christmas times, if they ever see the light of day again.

I'm not a big fan of these conspiration theories that Microgaming and Tusk have been planning this all this time. But if we take a look at this from a hobbyplayers perspective. If you dont read about poker on the internet, you just play it in the weekends or something. You would have no information about this at all. That is incredible bad customer service.. It is very fishy, and i think that Microgaming owes us more than just our money back.

I said something earlier in this thread. I said that if Microgaming gets the money back to the players soon, then Microgaming is a company to trust your money with. I said that Microgaming would probably be the safest place to keep your money. For me, soon was a week ago. My money will never again set foot in a company as unstable Microgaming is.

Another thing I have been thinking about. I have worked at a couple of stores before. Gas stations etc. The point is, everywhere I have worked, the system has been something like this:
If the amount of cash in the cash register exceeds a limit, it gets deposited into a safe. Once a week, the money goes to the bank. This is for safekeeping. Why doesn't Microgaming have a similar system? How come Tusk has all the money, why doesn't the money go into a account that Microgaming has complete control over? Especially with so many clients, and probably 2-3-4 companies like Tusk to handle the money, you would think that the companies that handles the deposits and withdrawals only had a limited amount of money, and the rest was kept in a safe account owned by Microgaming.

Anyway, this post is probably too long to read, and not very systematic. But I just want to offer my point of view and some speculations. I still have confidence that I will get my money back.

Trond

That's an understatement. If people want Cliffs Notes, they should read the Cliffs Notes instead of the above. They were reasonably good. The only major thing that's happened since they were written is that a liquidator has been appointed.

Some particularly egregious errors in the above:

Microgaming can't appoint a liquidator. They neither own Tusk, nor are they the Vanuatu court system. Tusk announced they were liquidating, then MG pulled the plug on their poker room and casinos. More recently, MG said that they've heard from Tusk that a liquidator was appointed.

Tusk ran a cardroom and some casinos, they weren't just a company that "handled the money." They are one of about 46 Microgaming poker licensees. The only thing unique about Tusk was that they sold branded versions of their cardroom to people like Battlefield, RedNines, etc.

Microgaming's a software provider. If you want a software provider and poker room all in one, there are plenty of independent cardrooms: PokerStars, Full Tilt, Absolute, etc.

If you trust a site with your money you should probably check to make sure the site actually holds your money.

That is the lesson I have learned from this thread.

The problem/trailers point is clear imo..... In the 'real world', if u buy, for instance, a DVD player by a respected brand (Phillips off course ), u expect that to be good and trustworthy, u don't have to worry about the financial position of the factory that produces the play-button or the chip that sends the green colors to your tv-set, u expect that to be taken care of by the brand itself. On the internet, and especially with online gambling, u don't seem to have any rights as a costumer, probably due to the fact that its illegal in so many country's (but that's a different discussion).... All that juristic abracadabra doesnt make sense to me and I dont see why I should worry about that sort of thing at all.... I only saw two logos when I logged in: rednines.com and microgaming so it's just really bothering me that microgaming is still up and running and that they seem to get away with it so fkn easy, there REALLY should be allot more discussion/protest imo, u/we're making it way to easy on them with (y)our ''compassion'' for the situation while we, costumers, really shouldn't care.....

<-Hope's it makes sense, lol

I may be out of topic here... Just think it's time to inform all involved in this mess that if many people with some money and strong motives there is a lot of ways to sabotageing a business using internet as a platform. There are hacker groups and others who does it for fun and if someone pays them for attacking a special target - no names - they can easily cause severe economical damages for that online operating company. So all the players who suffers in this scandal: don't fall for this temptation. It's a criminal act!

It is the same battlefield, I downloaded it on another computer and it is the same.
WTF is going on?

Yesterday you said you updated your website after somebody had asked you why there is no statement at your website and now you have a new one?
Did you updated your old website to make a good impression to us? But why do you need a new website if nobody can play there ? I really don't understand what's going on.

No news yet? I've got 40k tied on battlefield, and this is taking quite some time -.-

I think its an old webpage if you click the contact us part and try to chat its the same page as you got when you try to chat through the newer/now site.

battlefield.pkrrm.com is the default generic site you get provided with when you set up an MPP account .... once you have been set up you then look to set up your own site. Therefore this is the Original Battlefield site

ok, didn't want to spread panic or so but everything is getting really frustrating