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03-07-2008 , 08:57 AM
Latest Statement from MGS

7 March 2008

COMPANY STATEMENT: UPDATE 07/3/08

ISLE OF MAN - Microgaming has now been advised that a liquidator has been appointed by Tusk Investments Corporation, although the appointment is subject to ratification by the regulatory authorities of Vanuatu – the jurisdiction in which Tusk is incorporated.

As yet, Microgaming has not been informed how long this ratification process will take, but it will provide additional updates on the situation as and when information becomes available.

About Tusk
Tusk Investment Corporation Limited operates a number of casino sites and poker rooms:

Casinos: Challenge Casino, Golden Reef Casino, Music Hall Casino, Nostalgia Casino, UK Casino Club, Big Casino

Poker Rooms: Battlefield Poker, Royal Card Club, Red Nines, Arctic Poker, Raw Poker, Poker.ie, Daily Poker, Flush Draw Poker, Will Bet Poker, Bet Road Poker, Grand Central Poker, Off The Rail Poker, Privy Poker, Berserk Poker, Atomik Poker, Dave's Poker Room, Hetman Poker, Hot Pepper Poker, Poker Seas, TilttAA Poker, Loose Games Poker, CPT Gaming Poker, Ice Bear Poker, GoHard Poker, Caya Poker, Mr Urban Poker, Poker Sweden, Euro Poker Dream

About Microgaming
Since the company developed the first true online casino software over a decade ago, it has led the industry in providing innovative, reliable gaming solutions. Thanks to an unrivalled R&D programme, that averages 60 games per year and a unique 'partnership' approach to working with operators; Microgaming powers 120 of the world's most profitable casino sites. The company's front and back-end software supports multiplayer, multilanguage games - over 350 of them, all uniquely branded. The Microgaming Progressive Jackpot Network is the world's largest progressive and has paid out a record £115m plus in the last four years.

Microgaming software also powers the world's leading poker network with over 40 card rooms and platforms for landbased and wireless gaming.

As a founding member of eCOGRA, Microgaming is at the forefront of an initiative focused on setting the highest standards in the gaming industry, and leads in the areas of fair gaming, responsible operator conduct and player protection.

For further information about Microgaming, please contact:
Stuart Hehir at Chameleon PR
+44 (0) 20 7680 5500
stuart@chameleonpr.com

Nothing exciting happening still and still no further update from anyone at MPP
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03-07-2008 , 09:10 AM
This will probably take months!
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03-07-2008 , 10:22 AM
Vanuatu – the jurisdiction in which Tusk is incorporated. They could have said this days ago, it would have saved some people a lot of trouble but they wait
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03-07-2008 , 10:51 AM
For what its worth, I have been told unofficially that it is much better that the jurisdiction is in Vanauatu rather than Australia. It should speed things up a lot.
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03-07-2008 , 11:30 AM
A fairly accurate translation from an article in the swedish National Encyklopedia about the judicial system in Vanuatu:
"From the time as british-french condominium Vanuatu has inherit both english and french law which practically are equal. In practise has english influenced law become more and more dominating. Local laws are used in some cases. The highest courts are Supreme Court and Court of Appeal. The death penalty was (unfortunatley ) abolished when V became independent"

Another article about Vanuatu said that company profits are free from taxation.
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03-07-2008 , 12:19 PM
This is horrible.. I thought that the prima/microgaming skins used proc cyber services. Perhaps they changed names to tusk.

If this is the case I would be very concerned about getting your money back. Proc cyber is one of the worst payment processing companies ever. They rarely side with their clients.

http://www.proccyber.com/ is down, so hmmmmm, perhaps I am right.

I always thought they were very shady, they constantly delayed withdraws on purpose to float money around.

Be scared.
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03-07-2008 , 12:33 PM
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For what its worth, I have been told unofficially that it is much better that the jurisdiction is in Vanauatu rather than Australia. It should speed things up a lot.
This is the type of info that we need more of. The opinions of the skin reps are much more valuable than most others. Keep it coming!
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03-07-2008 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Battlefield Poker
For what its worth, I have been told unofficially that it is much better that the jurisdiction is in Vanauatu rather than Australia. It should speed things up a lot.
Why?
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03-07-2008 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyle
Why?
less red tape?

Less busy court system?
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03-07-2008 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Flopturnriver
I always thought they were very shady, they constantly delayed withdraws on purpose to float money around.

Be scared.
No thanks, u suck at life and prob at poker, the site is not down.....

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For what its worth, I have been told unofficially that it is much better that the jurisdiction is in Vanauatu rather than Australia. It should speed things up a lot.
Please, tell us more about what 'u've been told unofficially'
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03-07-2008 , 02:14 PM
anyone find it comical that with all the bs going on they have no news all week but are asking for feedback about new software in other thread looks like there main concern is there new software..
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03-07-2008 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BigThangz
anyone find it comical that with all the bs going on they have no news all week but are asking for feedback about new software in other thread looks like there main concern is there new software..
Different parts of the company are interested in different things, I don't think our situation affects the primary focus of those in charge of the software.
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03-07-2008 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MPP Mole
...
MPP
Mr Shane Edwards
Fianancial Manager
My Poker Profit
So, MPP Mole, I guess the obvious question for you would be: is MPP solvent? Do they have enough to cover the full player balances, or is their net worth negative?
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03-07-2008 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MPP Mole
Some random information

Skin owners take 62.5% rake but have all players deposit fees charged to them and a 2% charge to cover repudiations taken and held for 6 months

MPP take 20% rake

MGS take 17.5% rake

MPP will provide the owner with the following services as part of the service fee paid by the site owner:

- 24 hour, 365 day call centre to deal with all player support issues;
- Fianance management including payments to wowners, their registered affiliates and players
- Total fraud management services
Provision of depositing gateways and the associated real money depositing methods
- Business and Poker room reporting
- Ability to operate on the Microgaming Poker Neetwork
- Licenced poker room on the Microgaming Poker Network
- Licenced MPP software for campaign, affiliate and business management
- Various software updates for poker room software and MPP software
- Tournaments and promotions available on the Microgaming poker network
- Selected web development for agreed product enhancements and any bug fixes
- Kahnawake Gaming Licence

13.2 Either MPP or the owner may, at it's option and without prejudice to any other rights and remedies that party may have, terminate this agreement for just cause giving thirty (30) days written notice to the other:

(a) if the other becomes or is likely to become subject to any kind of insolvency administration (whether formal or informal, voluntary or otherwise) or bankruptcy.

MPP
Mr Shane Edwards
Fianancial Manager
My Poker Profit
GPO Box 962
Brisbane
Queensland 4001
AUSTRALIA
facsimile +61 7 3815 1990
I do not know what skin you own, but you were obv paying more than others if your fees were 20% to MPP.
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03-07-2008 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mustbeblufin
I do not know what skin you own, but you were obv paying more than others if your fees were 20% to MPP.
Why do you say this? And skins are clearly being paid rather than paying anyway.
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03-07-2008 , 06:11 PM
if a skin makes 62.5% of the rake how is it they can give us 60% of it? surly they make more than 2.5%
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03-07-2008 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mustmuck
Why do you say this? And skins are clearly being paid rather than paying anyway.
Because his margin is 62.5% plus paying deposit fees etc. Some players were doing better than that.

Obv you are clueless if you think the skins are being paid. They are losing in this situation too.
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03-07-2008 , 06:16 PM
I have not money at risk here but the more I think of this mess the more upset I get. The whole situation is bizarre. I am steaming now. I really feel for those players who has a lot of money in the hands of those criminals. And to be honest me and the other players have never been Tusk customers. In my case i was Battlefield Poker's customer and therefore it's highly reasonable to have demands towards BFP. And when I ask the question: what have BFP done so far for their customers, the answer is sadly: nothing at all. They just say they have no information and awaits that someone else shall gather that information for them. Of course it's in this case BFP:s matter to collect that information and do everything they can for themselves and not least their customers. BFP and other skins, it's time to get to work and start doing something about this situation. Buy a plane ticket or something and get your asses down to Vanuatu or whatever it takes and start to act now! For crying out loud!!!
My english is really ****ty in this post, sorry for that

Last edited by HarriSeldon; 03-07-2008 at 06:21 PM. Reason: apologies for ****ty english
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03-07-2008 , 06:24 PM
This message goes out to Battlefield Poker:

I have been in the poker scene for a very very long time for those of you who does not recognise me, my alias is THETERRORIST on the prima Network and I have not one skin but many of them, and unfortunately one of them is Battlefield Poker.

The way I see this Battlefield has not once contact me regarding any of this, we are locked out of playing sure, thats ok but what in the world gives microgaming & battlefield the right to freeze our funds.

Now i Have cashed out money that has dissapeared into air.

If I have not been directly called and contacted by any of these responsible parties I am contacting a lawyer to deal with this in the way you are supposed to deal with unclearities of this kind. you will be responsible for interest rate according to my juristiction and this will not be a pleasant solution for any of you.


Please contact me at your earliest convinience to explain your side of this matter- This is unacceptable.
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03-07-2008 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mustbeblufin
I do not know what skin you own, but you were obv paying more than others if your fees were 20% to MPP.
"MPP Mole" implies they're someone inside MPP, not a owner. Definition of mole: "one within an organization who passes on information." What they posted may be an excerpt from a standard agreement with a skin.

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Originally Posted by mustmuck
Why do you say this? And skins are clearly being paid rather than paying anyway.
"MPP will provide the owner with the following services as part of the service fee paid by the site owner"

I don't see MPP providing all those services without charging for them. I think you can get skins that pay 40% that don't charge you for anything. At this level they charge you for everything. At 80% you're hiring the people who do the work yourself. Tusk/MPP is in the latter category.
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03-07-2008 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HarriSeldon
I have not money at risk here but the more I think of this mess the more upset I get. The whole situation is bizarre. I am steaming now. I really feel for those players who has a lot of money in the hands of those criminals. And to be honest me and the other players have never been Tusk customers. In my case i was Battlefield Poker's customer and therefore it's highly reasonable to have demands towards BFP. And when I ask the question: what have BFP done so far for their customers, the answer is sadly: nothing at all. They just say they have no information and awaits that someone else shall gather that information for them. Of course it's in this case BFP:s matter to collect that information and do everything they can for themselves and not least their customers. BFP and other skins, it's time to get to work and start doing something about this situation. Buy a plane ticket or something and get your asses down to Vanuatu or whatever it takes and start to act now! For crying out loud!!!
My english is really ****ty in this post, sorry for that
Yes please travel to Vanuatu and knock on the door at the address of the office for the Registered Agent who helped them incorporate there. I am sure this will help!
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03-07-2008 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Self Made
"MPP Mole" implies they're someone inside MPP, not a owner. Definition of mole: "one within an organization who passes on information." What they posted may be an excerpt from a standard agreement with a skin.
And there is nothing good there. If he is a mole he should pass on information that is worth reading. It just seems like stuff from an agreement and a bad agreement at that. It's easy to see some of these sites weren't paying 20%.
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03-07-2008 , 07:07 PM
This is mostly for HarriSeldon & TheTerrorist

I do not know what it is you want us to do exactly. We literally cannot do anything. We contact MGS and they say "Sorry we cannot comment, our lawyers advised us not"

We call Tusk "Lawyers say we cannot comment until this is sorted out"

We contact Tusk Employees "Sorry we have a Gag order says we cannot talk"

Then you say, BFP aren't replying to my emails and are not contacting me, what gives!!
Again, We were terminated on MGS by MGS. All of the support emails no longer come to us. Anytime you email us, they will not arrive.

So why don't we email you instead? Why? Because the day this happend, Tusk disconnected the back end, where we had the ability to contact you. We have NOTHING. We are totally and 100% in the dark. Both sides are not talking to us and there is nothing we can do but wait.

I wish I had more information, I really do. But I don't and sadly niether side wants to comment on when this is going to be resolved.

I hope that clears up any confusion why we cannot make any progress and be proactive.

Battlefield Poker
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03-07-2008 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mustbeblufin
Because his margin is 62.5% plus paying deposit fees etc. Some players were doing better than that.

Obv you are clueless if you think the skins are being paid. They are losing in this situation too.
Did you really think I meant that the skins haven't been hit by what happened? I meant that the skins don't get all the rake and then dole it out to MG and MPP, they clearly just get paid whatever they're due by MPP. wrt to the margin, I can't really say. I have heard of 60% on some skins, however I'd also heard that these skins were running on super-thin margins. If there were skins offering over 62.5 then they were clearly getting paid more.

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Originally Posted by Self Made
"MPP will provide the owner with the following services as part of the service fee paid by the site owner"

I don't see MPP providing all those services without charging for them.
You're right, some of the skin owners have mentioned paying an up-front fee of 25k to get skin up and running. I was only referring to the rake.

All of this is pretty meaningless though, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the given structure was MPP's standard payout system, perhaps a few skins managed to get a better deal. I definitely took from MPP Mole's post that he was portraying himself as being affiliated with MPP rather than MG or a skin. His lack of comment on their liquidity may mean that he's not in the know though.


Oh, and Battlefield Poker, if you own the domain that your support emails are being sent to you can definitely start collecting them yourselves rather than letting them disappear into Tusk.
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03-07-2008 , 07:19 PM
when I deposited money on battlefield poker I made a agreement with BFP, not with tusk, isnt BFP accountable for my money?
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