Cool, thanks for the reply.

I'm definitely going to keep an eye on it, this was just a first impression and I'm sure it will change. I play around 1k hands/hour at 10NL and 20NL, dropping to 200h/hour or so will be an adjustment. Probably be good for my game though !

I think I'll be playing an hour a day at the new client for now and keep the bulk of my volume at the old. Once table priority, mouse wheel betsizing and some form of auto-resizing are implemented, I'm sure it'll be alot smoother.

The jump from 80 to 400 is really big imho.

Yeh. That's on purpose - the idea is that we have a welcome offer that the majority of players can actually use, so we have those geometric jumps to let us start low. Not many people make it past 80 who don't make it all the way with the old welcome offer so it should be OK for most.

Hi Sciloist

For a returning microdonk like me is there a long running bonus I could get, hoping to beat the micros etc etc

Yeh, everyone gets the €500 playthrough bonus discussed above. Everyone also gets €7 in tickets (€1 SNG ticket, €2 Unibet Open ticket, €4 NL4 fast hold'em ticket) for finishing the migration mission, which takes ~20 minutes.

Then there's a €10 NL4 ticket for players in the core markets of BE, FI, NL, NO, SE, UK.

Plus the rake is much lower at NL4 and NL10 than anywhere else I know of.

dos this play through expire? If not it's ideal for newbies who wana jin/play/learn on one site?

It expires after 60 days.

I wanted to make it good for new players by having a few early release increments, and make it possible to clear for a lot of "normal" players to clear (€2500 raked in 2 months is quite a lot but not huge - clearing the €80 hurdle in 2 months is not such a big deal for the casual player either).

Hopefully things like the €10 NL4 ticket in the core markets and the €7 in tickets from the new player mission will help too. The idea behind the mission is to get people to try all the different game types with little or no investment and find one that they like.

Can you at least put notes on players to ease a bit multitab. and have some minimal fruther reads when you meet again at the tables? - a blue,red,grey etc. squares or cercles?
+1 to 100bb buy in at the cash tables

Really disappointing that the VIP System is unavailable. If I start playing now, do I gain zero points until Saturday or whenever it comes out, or will I receive them then?

Sorry - we don't want to allow that kind of feature. When players can change their alias it wouldn't really work anyway, and we certainly couldn't let it carry over between aliases.

Thanks, will add to my list of people who want this!

I also vouch for the 100bb buy-in in cash tables(or why not just let the player choose...). Nobody likes short stack poker.

Some form of notetaking, even very minimalistic and/or that isn't permanent (like at anonymous tables) would be great, but I understand why it's not there.
A way to block the casino/slot links would be cool too, but again I understand why you wouldn't want to do that.

Loyalty is running on MGS still. The problem is that we're in beta right now and if some of the client doesn't work properly, we've got a terrible customer experience on our hands if loyalty is running. Plus almost nobody has migrated yet - the link isn't up on the old client yet - so it'd be very hard to get any loyalty points for at least a few days.

Loyalty will run on the new client from the start of March.

Although I agree with you, I just want to reiterate that it was done for a reason - the theory is that it helps new players survive for longer. If I get data that shows it isn't the case, I don't think it'd stay that way. I will be using your posts to help argue the point, but I'll need data too and that'll take a while to accumulate.

Recs love nothing more than a huge river bluff. While they don't really understand the concept of stack sizes, a 50bb stack prevents them from that. You could even add an achievement or two that require a deep stack. Otherwise, settling for the "medium" of 75bb would be a better default, offering more streets for more poker while keeping the recs from losing a full stack.

At the very least there should be a buy-in option that gives a slider when you sit in. Maybe the default would be 50bb, but anyone(including the recs) should be allowed to drag it to 100bb if they want. The fact that you have to manually add it afterwards is just very clunky and gets a minus from anyone wanting to play anything more than 50bb. It's never a good thing when your software can't do something very simple that even the piece of **** Ongame uses can.

Edit: Also, make the €10 Cash Game Ticket available for more than one table at the time! 2500 flops in 6 days while playing one table of NL4? Christ. I would imagine the goal of this is filling the tables, so having people on 2-3 tables at the same time would do a lot good.

Cash game tickets expire after 7 days of inactivity - if you play one flop every week for 40 years, it'll still be there.

I agree it'd be nice if it worked over several tables at once, but we don't have that functionality at the moment.

I also want to say that the 50bb thing is the minimum as well as the default. There's no 20/30/40bb buyins. The max is 100bb still.

I think the theory might be right in that case honestly. It's harder for winning players to generate a large winrate playing versus short stackers.

At the same time, you don’t want players starting with 20bb as it's just not fun for most players.

I'd say 50bb-100bb is fine. Just having the option to choose when you join a table might be a good addition. Although I guess you want a very simple software and therefore don’t want to add too many steps.

Are the playthrough requirements for real? 2500 flops in 7 days on a single table. That's just impossible

It was just stated that the ticket expires after 7 days of inactivity, which means you can reset the timer by playing each week.

The ticket expires if you do not play for seven days. If you see one flop at any point, the expiry resets to seven days again.

Therefore if you play one flop per week for 48 and a bit years, you could clear the bonus.

There's already a step where you pick if you use cash or a ticket (if you have a ticket) so maybe we can do something with that. Tomorrow we'll be discussing priorities for early roadmap items so I'll mention it there.

Even there ware anonymous tables because of the RB and Promotions i decided to play. Don`t know if i`m gonna try the new system like this. I could accept a free hud client, or random table sitting but not being able to have the most minimal notes, some color signs at least it`s something close to impossibile to play 4+ tables. As i see you can change your alias so no kind of notation could be permanent, but at least to have the ability to note aliases.
I have read all this thread, hoping that i would find something that will make me remain on unibet. I had a very good opinion about it, but i think from now on it will go from bad to worse.
Sciolist fom me u have a big + for being here and answer all the questions and help the transit as easyer as possibile for ones who want to go on with unibet.

I think that it`s a positive thing from the sites to think about the ecology of the system and try to find ways to hold a good ecosystem ... BUT .... when you try to apply ALL the things to help the loosing players, not only US, the regulars, loose but i think the biggest loss is for the site. And this is why :

I for example i rake somewere around 1.5-2k at 10NL-20NL, and i think you can see there are around 10 players just like me at this stakes. By killing multi table me and most of the top 10 rakers will disapear.
- No Hud
- Not being able to table select ( see the tables in the lobby )
- Not being able to have any kind of notes on players
- Alias changing at your discretion
- 50bb max buy in at cash tables

You have to take in to consideration that a true grinder makes up for 20-30 rec. players. I think every regular can tell you that he can live with some of the modification, but NOT with all of them.
In one month after the transition i think the profit will go down with more than 50%.

Cheers for that!

This is just utter bull****. I remember similar writings when iPoker had dealt rake and 20bb minimum buy-in and the short stacks were telling they were invaluable rakers to the network.

A "true grinder" sitting in 10 tables may rake a lot, but he also eats much more of the deposits of the recs. The site/network is sentenced to death in the long run if the ratio of regs and fish is bad.

The point of disallowing HUDs is that poker wasn't initially(when it was still a growing game) designed to be a game of staring at stats and making a close enough estimate from them to make profit, or breaking even and winning through rakeback. It's discouraging for the recs to feel that they are losing edge because they don't have hundreds of dollars worth of tools to make the decisions for them.

Table selection is ******ry too. That's what they do in Ongame. 4 regs sit out in a table, and when a fish fills the 5th spot, they all sit in. As soon as the fish goes broke or leaves, the regs sit out again and/or the table breaks. It's even worse in heads up where most regs just steal a blind or 3-bet the first pot and leave as soon as they realize you're not a fish.

About notes I somewhat agree with you, but it's not a huge deal in a network where everyone has 5 aliases.