Let's put it this way, if you don't put much volume in and rake thousands every month, you are better off with the flat rakeback deal.

Anyone saying this site is worse off than the complete POS Doyles Room has zero clue what he is talking about. I shudder to think what your other 2000 posts have to say...

Even people with differing opinions could not be so far off as what you post here.

The level of drugs you are taking must be off the charts

I never played Doyle's Room until it was on Yahtahtay. When I did finally sign up, they were great to me. They called me personally to inform me of any changes to the site or software, they were very timely on cashouts, and they often went above and beyond to make sure I was treated very well.

I don't know anything about them before that when they were on Cake. I can only speak for my experience with them on Yahtahtay.

That's what it seems. But the fact that they are completely evasive every time I ask them directly about the differences in benefits, when DR never would have done that to me previously, it just rubs me the wrong way.

I think I raked like 4k for them this month over like 15-20k hands or so. Thanks for your opinion.

With how many posts you have and you saying you don't know me ... I assume you post pretty much only in places that don't matter for mid-high stakes poker like NVG. So whatev.

Marshall, the math can easily be done. It has been done already. If you reach general, VIP>RB slightly. If you reach General + 200k bonus, VIP>>RB.

If you start the year at General (only possible in 2013 and beyond) and maintain that rank, VIP>>>RB.

If you don't want to commit to consistent volume every single month, RB is likely better regardless of how much you rake during the months you do play.

Also, its not a crime if other posters don't know who you are.

can someone explain to me what the chop button is ? I would really appreciate it.

Chopping is when it fold to the small blind and instead of playing the pot out, the small blind and the big blind just take their money back and "chop" the blinds and the table moves on to the next hand.

ahhhhhhhhh like in regular card room hmmm kindof ingenious the chop thing. Never saw straddle anywhere online till now either. ty.

First of all....Obviously it's not a crime for someone to not know me, LOL. You make me sound like a complete narcissist. But if somebody is going to attack me, tell me I'm clueless and is going to "shudder to think how bad my other 2000 posts must be", obviously I'm going to defend myself.

Also, while I appreciate the work you've done so far, I did notice several people disagreeing with your math. And I haven't seen any specific chart that lists VIP rank, $ amount raked in order to reach it, and % of RB received at that rank. That would be a lot clearer to someone who isn't as apt to mathematics.

Personally, I don't know the answer because I'm not good with math and it would take me probably 20 hours to figure this out and check my work to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Being skeptical has treated me well as a poker player so I'll continue to be like that until there seems to be a consensus. It's safer for me, and for anybody else who trusts my opinion because there is a lot of bad advice constantly floating around.

Im glad to hear that your experiences with Doyle's have been in a positive light. Using your point of reference, I can see how your points of view are valid.

I will use ACR as entertainment for now. I am waiting for the rumored lock poker takeover of cake to happen. In all likely hood the remaining options will be very disappointing til the USA gets off its collective backside and make a stance.

I was told after recently switching to rake that if I want to change back to VIP they will do it once....We will see

I've had several exchanges with their customer support. They are finally sending my e-mails up the chain and I should receive a response from someone who matters. I'll keep you guys informed as to what I'm told.

Srsly...still waiting on any kind of response from ACR. I've been promised multiple times a phone chat with the manager in charge of the VIP program and now this being two weeks later, still have not heard a damn word.

On the other hand. BCP has gone above and beyond any service I requested to make sure my experience there has been nothing short of excellent. At this point, I can't recommend ACR to you guys, but award flying colors to the support/staff of BCP. If you want my opinion, they are the people you guys want to trust.

ACR Traffic is low, but I can't understand why?

RANKED #1 in fastest payout!!!!!!!!!!!!

I play there, they sent me their Debit Card. When I cash out, I get money on that card in 24-36 hours. When I send an e-mail to support, I get a response back within 2 hours. They also have a CS phone number.

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't understand why this site is not HUGE!

Software is terrible

BBJ tables

Thats it.

you can also data mine with ptr4 aka open 20 tables obs afk for 24 hours and come back with a thousand hands on anothrr playrr but even with all that software is so bad i cant multitable like at all on my small screen because table sounds are so ****ed and dont pop up if u stack them all they have to do is get better software just a little and i would play full time even with **** traffic and near unbeatable bbj rake at 50nl or lower

No bbj rake at pl omaha tables

I can't even imagine the world people who hate this site live in. Software is fine enough (auto-rebuy, never crashes, you can turn all sounds off, all the basic necessities), players are terrible, and anyone arguing that you can't beat the bbj tables probably eeks out a .25bb/100 winrate without the bbj.

Well said. I'll never understand how people say you can't beat 50NL or lower at this site because of the rake.

Last I checked, you guys didn't offer one Omaha Hi/Lo tourney. Yet you guys are the new Pokerstars?!? L-O-L

Yeah definitely. No razz either or pineapple or follow the queen or...

Considering how things are, that's not true: party poker has always been the one that is greed; it was really sick when they started it in around 2005.

marshall is fastbreak...clearly needs to retake 6th grade math.

lol, I re-took statistics in college after getting a d-minus the first year. it took me ~40 hrs per test (4 tests) to study the 2nd time around, but I got an A that year.

And just to make a point, I never received any message from anyone at ACR regarding this situation which clearly shows how much they care about some of their most important clientele.

Any poker site should care enough about their customers to notify them about changes in the software of the VIP program IN THE SOFTWARE.

I never received any notice about this change and had to find out about it myself. Then after finding out about it, I wasn't permitted to understand the mathematics regarding the change unless I personally paid someone to find it out myself.

I was promised multiple times by their staff that a manager would contact me personally by phone in order to explain these changes to me, yet it never happened.