No, RB players can't buy the promotions, or in anyway benefit from the elite program. You can get the rake race rewards though.

There is zero possiblity i move my action to this site unless they get rid of the BBJ tables.

Oh so what you are listing in the chart is basically their equivalent to milestone bonuses?

10nl will not miss you, I'm sure. You don't have to play on the BBJ tables btw.

Cause there are so many non BBJ tables running. Who said i play 10nl dip****?

I dont see how apples have to do with anything.

You're right, this thread is from 2010, but I read it for the lulz neway.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...ucceed-832947/

Georgia producing some stalking talent.. sniff someone elses ass this isn't bbv.

Just sit at two and wait. They come in droves.

Yep, that's why there are consistently 0-10 tables of non BBJ running.

Love these simpleton responses. If it were that easy, it wouldn't be the case now would it?

*shrug* It works for me, so idk why it was a "simpleton response", but oh well. Within 90 sec of sitting at a 50nl 6-max table during regular hours I usually have 3-way action with a full table after a few hands.

That thread just made me feel better about my life.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...wdowns-422418/ Solid.

Hand #4
Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 50327
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $4.07
UTG+2: $2.65
MP1: $10.55
MP2: $10.08
CO: $12.16
BTN: $1.85
SB: $14.84
Hero (BB): $2.65
UTG: $11.80

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 8 Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 6 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 9 5 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, UTG+1 calls $0.70

River: ($2.85) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25 all in, UTG+1 calls $1.25

Final Pot: $5.35
UTG+1 shows 7 7 (three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero shows 8 Q (a pair of Queens)
UTG+1 wins $5.00
(Rake: $0.35)

I know this was discussed earlier, but I don't remember an answer being posted. I was talking to live support and asked if Rakeback players can use our Combat Points in the store when it becomes live. The support guy said no and the only thing we can use points on are tournaments(most likely only satellites).

Is there going to be a tiered system like PokerStars where when you hit certain levels you accumlate points at a faster rate? If that is true then these numbers are way off and only assume a "Bronze" level rate throughout the upper bonuses.

Or did I completely miss something?

I'm pretty sure there is a pretty big fail in logic on this.

You are equating RP directly to Rake. Which for PokerStars is like associating FPP to Rake which is false. I'm going to use a PStars analogy. You have two players, one SuperNova Elite, and one bronze.

Both have 1000FPP and buy a $10 bonus (I dont' know the actual bonuses, this is just an example).

The bronze person had to play 1000 VPP to get his 1000 FPP.
The SuperNova Elite only had to play 200VPP to get his 1000 FPP.

According to your chart they are both getting the same rake percentage when actually the SuperNova Elite is getting 5x higher rake.

Unless all levels earn RP at the same rate (aka Bronze earns FPP at the same rate as SuperNova Elite) your chart is wrong.

Hopefully this brings in a lot more of the cash grinders. Literally impossible right now to want to do anything on ACR. other day not one 50nl game was running mid afternoon.

Well not only that it's not accounting for FPPs that can be used towards buying into SNGs and the rake race (pretty much anyone with any volume will qualify for a prize) that affect the RB numbers upwards.

You did miss something. He did not even assume a Bronze level rate. He just divided the milestone bonuses by the rake paid. The value of the FPPs are not factored in whatsoever, whether they be the bronze rate or SNE. Completely misleading chart

OK, then a good rule thumb is, check your numbers/sources before you post. It seems like a moderate player would be able to clear higher than 27% by not going rakeback.

When is the store going to open? Or when do we hear the details of new system?

11PM PDT/2AM EDT Monday Night/Tuesday Morning

For some reason, I think that the 50NL is just not that popular for some reason on the site. At this time I notice you can play multiple full 6 max tables of 10NL 25NL and 1 or 2 FR games. But there is only 1 full 6 Max 50NL and several shorthanded 6max 50NL.

There are 4 6max 100NL games going and 1 FR, 1 6Max and FR 200NL games going, 3 6max 400NL, and several shorthanded 4Max and 6Max 1000NL going at this hour.

Note most people are playing BBJ tables. A lot of people like BBJ tables to get a crack at big money while playing cash games. If you play long enough (years) you eventually get a couple bad beats and table shares. They always come in handy when hit and I can not blame others for trying for the big hits. Personally, I love that they offer BBJ tables to limits as low as 10NL (although you can only get 20% of the total jackpot v 50NL and above 100% of jackpot) Why would they get rid of these when they already offer both? Give what the players want. Not what the posters tell you that you must play.

The numbers really drop off in the late evening hours so will have to check regular US daytime/night action

Surprised no one mentioned the straddle option and actually has a chop blinds option

I have been testing out the cash and tournament games to see what they were like. They could make improvements like any other site, but I enjoyed playing, and the software always seemed to work. Just have to get used to fact that is a basic site, no fancy avatars, but it deals the cards and seems to have great withdrawal times (at the moment anyway), as well as 27% rakeback, and 60K to 100K rakeraces every month since they switched from Doyles with new owners. They also offer more promotions each month than the other US-facing sites.

They just have to fight the connection to Doyles Room which paints a horrible picture for many long-time players who are aware of the many problems DR presented customers over the years. From what I have seen, they are trying to distance themselves from the Doyles misfits by offering big money promotions, making fast payment options, and offering good customer service. Now the trick is to get more players, and keep the customer service and promotions running along nicely.

My chart is calculating the effective RB % for Achievement Rewards and Legendary Bonuses. The bonuses are unlocked by earning Rank Points. Rank Points are earned at the same pace regardless of your VIP level.

My chart does not have anything to do with Combat Points that will be able to be spent in the store, when/if it opens. Combat points ARE earned faster for higher VIP levels. We don't know how those bonuses will be structured yet.


RB players would be able to apply RB money towards SNG purchases as well.


This chart has to do with the VIP system at ACR, not Pokerstars.

As of now we cannot calculate the value of CPs (equivalent to FPPs) because the store isn't open yet. Feel free to guess at the value of those points.


When the store opens, it may turn out that the VIP system is better than RB for many players. Until then it is clearly not.

It was this quote that let me to say something. The store doesn't have to be plenty ballers to make VIP>RB. If the store is half as good as PStars store with the same bonuses/items available and the same similiar VIP system, then a semi-moderate player would be able to clear 30%+.

My chart accurately shows the effective rakeback for the currently available bonuses. You said it did not do this.

You have changed from saying my chart is inaccurate to saying that the term "pretty baller" is inaccurate.