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[500$ award inside] Did I get scammed? [500$ award inside] Did I get scammed?

09-22-2010 , 07:05 PM
wow, watching the HH, you definitely got F by the middleman.
He played perfect vs you, with the occasional call down to even things out.WHo is this "friend" and why did he want to watch you play?
awesome, got to watch one of the top player played, learned alot. I played you once this month at 30/60. Flopped a royal flush. You said NH .

some hands that stood out was him cc with QQ on river on 44228 board.HIm CRing you every hand that you dont have it on flop very suspicious.
wow, sick read for you to fold 53 on a 5A4A6 river.how the hell do you fold that?So much to learn.No wonder I suck HU.

Last edited by DitMeMay; 09-22-2010 at 07:25 PM.
09-22-2010 , 07:40 PM
watch most of it. common theme was him CRing you when you dont have it ,CF when you hit on turn, or make a play when you are bluffing.It's so sick.
09-22-2010 , 07:45 PM
OP,

You would get a lot more help if you posted this in the HS limit forum.
09-22-2010 , 09:20 PM
Can someone confirm that downloading that file won't lead to me getting scammed like OP claims he got scammed?
09-22-2010 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
Can someone confirm that downloading that file won't lead to me getting scammed like OP claims he got scammed?
Yeah, I downloaded it and my computer still works the same.
09-22-2010 , 10:21 PM
More details need to be explained how the match was "arranged".

Even without looking at the hand histories I can say that there is a very good chance you were hacked. People don't just magically jump from playing 2/4 nl to 2000/4000 fixed limit. Even if he thought he had a legit edge on you, people don't take that kind of risk without some kind of plan.

Also keep in mind, the middleman (Alleged) and the villain probably knew you were a good poker player so they could/should have tried really hard to not make their play look too suspicious. Meaning, they would give up on pots that they could win, to give you a pot here and there so that it wouldn't be too obvious.

One way you could get a good idea if you were cheated is demand a rematch with missnikita1987. Demand the highest stakes and play without teamviewer and preferably on a different computer. If missnikita refuses action, there is almost 100% certainty you were cheated. If someone was able to crush you for 20BB/100, why would they refuse you action now, when they accepted a challenge with a smaller bankroll?
09-22-2010 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Hood
Villain has played very little FL according to PTR. The only time are these nosebleed matches vs. OP.

However from what I can tell in total 1250 hands were played together on the 15th of september. The sample uploaded is onyl 629 hands.

According to PTR, villain finished up +282k. The sample given by OP leaves villain up +350k.
right. one way I visualize it is to plot against some group for comparison ala what Josem did with AP. one problem seems to be sample size and another possibly bigger issue is missed hands, but ptr actually does some plots like this (I assume regardless of # of hands played) and you can see this guy is more aggressive, sees more showdowns and wins more than anyone else in the plots.
09-22-2010 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 54-
One way you could get a good idea if you were cheated is demand a rematch with missnikita1987. Demand the highest stakes and play without teamviewer and preferably on a different computer. If missnikita refuses action, there is almost 100% certainty you were cheated. If someone was able to crush you for 20BB/100, why would they refuse you action now, when they accepted a challenge with a smaller bankroll?
He doesnt have to demand one. We had one set up for the next night to start with 2-tabling 100k on each table. He also knew this friend wouldnt be around the next night and wasnt even around for the bulk of our match. I have been looking to play this opponent for awhile and feel I have this game down good. I have plenty of money live and could up the stakes. I was not happy OP even let anyone watch his play either and was not aware until after match he allowed it. If your going to allow it, dont complain afterwards.

There is conveniently a lot of facts omitted from this story (just like his first post omitted matches he won). I do not want to start a debate since I rather just play. You should know who to contact to get in touch with me and he can give you my details to contact me directly. To be clear, I will play OP at whatever stakes he wants until he is broke. I look forward to the next batch of excuses after he loses again. I did catch a few rivers and perhaps ran a bit over expectation but its a super small sample. I imagine over a larger sample we will see that my edge still exists. This is my last post here, conact me if you really want to play.

missnikita1987
09-22-2010 , 10:54 PM
well this seems to have taken a turn for the interesting
09-22-2010 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jim_money
Lol. Can't sue for being too stupid.
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Originally Posted by jrblacky
Outplayed IMO
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Originally Posted by Hood

I agree with Six Finger Nate; to someone who doesn't play a lot of hu limit, a lot of these hands hands may seem weird (not directed to kfor2p2, just to this thread in general). I went through the first session. I flagged 9 hands in total: 2 I considered we suspicious. 7 I considered were evidence towards the villain not being able to see hole cards.
These +3.
09-23-2010 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Hood
I went through the first session. I flagged 9 hands in total: 2 I considered we suspicious. 7 I considered were evidence towards the villain not being able to see hole cards.
Absolutely agree.
Did not see anything to speak of to support knowing hole cards theory

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Originally Posted by 54-
People don't just magically jump from playing 2/4 nl to 2000/4000 fixed limit. Even if he thought he had a legit edge on you, people don't take that kind of risk without some kind of plan.
Now, this makes too much sense to be ignored.
Make sure you know who you are really playing.
I know, it is not 100% proof but requesting video would not hurt.

GL
09-23-2010 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fosho
He doesnt have to demand one. We had one set up for the next night to start with 2-tabling 100k on each table. He also knew this friend wouldnt be around the next night and wasnt even around for the bulk of our match. I have been looking to play this opponent for awhile and feel I have this game down good. I have plenty of money live and could up the stakes. I was not happy OP even let anyone watch his play either and was not aware until after match he allowed it. If your going to allow it, dont complain afterwards.

There is conveniently a lot of facts omitted from this story (just like his first post omitted matches he won). I do not want to start a debate since I rather just play. You should know who to contact to get in touch with me and he can give you my details to contact me directly. To be clear, I will play OP at whatever stakes he wants until he is broke. I look forward to the next batch of excuses after he loses again. I did catch a few rivers and perhaps ran a bit over expectation but its a super small sample. I imagine over a larger sample we will see that my edge still exists. This is my last post here, conact me if you really want to play.

missnikita1987

suspicious.....so now that u've seen how he plays, sure u will take the rematch...even if u dont have the advantage of seeing his hole cards in the future, you saw enough to be able to do some real damage.
09-23-2010 , 02:10 AM
Clever screen name.

Last edited by doublebluff; 09-23-2010 at 02:10 AM. Reason: Karma's a bitch.
09-23-2010 , 11:22 AM
I just finished watching all the 2-4k sessions.

Looks like a smart cheating to me.

The guy is trying not to be too obvious but he folds too much when Ihatejuice has a pair and bluffs almost always when ihate has nothing.

I guess the freezout format is a guarantee that he can win in the end, so he can mess with Ihate a little wuthout any risk involved.

The very strange mix of limits helps too. He can lose at small one just to win 3 big ones after it.

I think it was cheating.

Regards,

Hight stakes limit specialist Jama-dharma.

Last edited by feruell; 09-23-2010 at 11:30 AM.
09-23-2010 , 12:23 PM
If there is a rematch happening, and one obviously without anyone on teamviewer, I would also strongly advise getting a brand new computer only for poker and nothing else to make sure there isn't any malicious software on your comp, because there seems to be too much confidence here that teamviewer wasn't the reason you lost.
09-23-2010 , 12:39 PM
why would u play a rematch against someone who potentially saw how u played while viewing ur hole cards? as i said above, even if he can't cheat this time, he has gained a massive edge.

maybe they werent even sharing hole card information....wat if he was watching u play and just relayed some tips for a percentage of any winnings? ie. "coaching" both players. either way, this is fairly obvious to me and i didnt even view ur hand histories. if he has even half a brain, he would make it VERY difficult to detect
09-23-2010 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by powermihau
ihatejuice = nazi
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Originally Posted by doublebluff
Clever screen name.Last edited by doublebluff; Yesterday at 11:10 PM. Reason: Karma's a bitch.
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Originally Posted by hasu
I don't need any advice or clever talk
Regards
IHateJuice
gfy
09-23-2010 , 03:29 PM
he might just hate rake

rake=juice.
09-23-2010 , 03:48 PM
this has got to be some kind of chipdumping...
OP can't be so dumb
09-23-2010 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fosho
He also knew this friend wouldnt be around the next night and wasnt even around for the bulk of our match. I have been looking to play this opponent for awhile and feel I have this game down good.
missnikita1987
I find it strange that you would be privy to this information. I also find it strange that you've been looking forward to playing a big winner in a game you seem to have no prior experience in.
09-23-2010 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mastertop101
this has got to be some kind of chipdumping...
OP can't be so dumb
+1
09-23-2010 , 07:55 PM
faux- I had the same immediate reaction to that part but then figured if it's actually missnikita then there's likely more interaction over this that they've had so it wouldn't be surprising if some of it was revealed during that interaction either.

otoh- it could just be some crazy random "whoops can't believe I included that" slip.

09-23-2010 , 08:11 PM
odds on that miss guy being a gimmick? probably so
09-23-2010 , 08:19 PM
obv that's very possible also. would be much more fun if real though.
09-23-2010 , 08:40 PM
Just from reading the thread this looks like cheating. Ihj isn't exactly a spot at hu lhe, particularly for some midstakes nl player. At the least I'd suspect someone else on the account.
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