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Originally Posted by pies01
Because of the huge fluctuations in soon & gos, you need 36%+ EV in the money (ITM) to avoid having a horrible existence
So there are 2 options to achieve this:
Option 1: Sit weak regs and recreational players where we can achieve 36% ITM while our opponents share the rest and average 32% ITM.
Option 2: collude with one strong reg and a weak reg/recreational player. For this approach, the strong reg and I need to share 72% (36+36) while the weak rec/reg needs to earn 28%.
Considering:
- 2/3 of the game is heads up where there's no collusion advantage
- to achieve 36% ITM we are likely to be an experience reg with years of experience and not to keen to be caught by Pokerstars for colluding and banned from earning a nice income
- how impossibly bad it is to achieve a 28% ITM as there are just too many situations where you have to get stacks in at 25bb effective stacks and less
- the difficulty I have in setting up games with my fellow colluder through spinwiz
I'll stick with option 1.
Can you pour your energy into the completely unenforceable 1 A4 piece of paper rule? If there was any rule out there to provide an advantage to the cheaters, it's that one
This approach based solely on how a reg can make most is precisely why we have software that is essentially wrong and exploitative. Buying software advantage vs the weakest and newest is not good for the game and is basically not "fair".
Buying an advantage to make a low skill high varience game marketed to casual players grindable is not a good thing.
As for discussing three way collusion possibilities, the theory thread is better placed for that but again your view that much of the play being heads up misses a bit. You get heads up as a colluder eithr by already having beaten your mark and won for you both already or because one of you got beaten but still has a fighting chance, either with their colluder fighting from the small stack or having got your chips, which is less good for collusion but still gives your partner a better chance.
Try looking at 2vs1 collusion as potentially advantageous in some games. Now to push your mark down from their usual win rate to 28% obviously depends on what their win rate would be anyway. Let us assume they are pretty good for a non SpinWiz subscriber and they hold their owm, winning 33% - to get
them down to your 28% all that is needed is for the collusion to alter the outcome 5 times per 100 - I don't think that is a big ask for even soft collusion between 2 against 1. Do you think it is an unrealistic target? I don't. Just the ability to alter your aggression by not having to worry about 1 of your opponents likely does this.
You also leave out that the collusion itself reduces your variance hugely and variance is one of the big problems with grinding this game.
As for energy on an unenforceable single A4 - I doubt you'd like my position on it. Ending popups, restricting the HUD to just fixed HUD stats the same for all opponents and unalterable during the game. - If people use paper for charts or another PC to help open pages in a folder then that is pretty unenforceable but also tough to do with many tables. It is about limiting the power, the impact not the best ad hoc definition of what is "OK" but yes accepting a single A4 page is a strange line, the data complexity within that is likely more significant but again that is in HUD not outside.
If like me you want a compromise where some s/w is allowed, where HUDs to multi table are treated as legit then yes we get in to problems in defining what is too powerful. Opposing restrictions on the power of in game data and advice retrieval systems is difficult stuff, I doubt Stars have got it right on this first occassion they have tried to clip teir power but the approach is in line with my view that s/w needs to be restricted to limit the advantage gained but not so much as to make multi table grinding impossible.
Skier got screwed on this by being open with everyone, his approach was even disclosed by Stars when they should have kept it confidential as it was his IP and that mess up has given us this 1 page thing. Those rules will need to evolve but the balance needs to be how to make multitabling possible whilst also delivering as level a playing field as possible between the software loaded pro and the rec. Hey if we do that then maybe the pros will rely on their edge from their skill, not their s/w package that lays package upon package and for some boosts that with illegal data.