Update it to the latest version as instructed.

Good posts by MeleaB and Ansky, not sure I have much more to ad. I would just like to say that I strongly believe that Pokerstars got it wrong and that these changes will have a negative effect on their winnings and the poker economy as a whole. I hope that Isai Scheinberg is monitoring these changes and working on his move back into the pokerworld.

N.b. I am currently playing mostly 600-2k on Pokerstars exclusively and anticipate to lose ~20% of my winnings as a direct result of these changes and certainly much more due to trickling down effect. I am still thinking of what I should do as a consequence and I might well stop playing poker altogether.

now I dont regret stop playing on bull**** Stars when Amaya took over...

JMO said it all best in his chicagojoey podcast...

Pokerstars have said in the past "Many SilverStar players redeem their points for tournament tickets which has a significantly higher rate of close to .016"

So I wouldn't make the assumption that they will actually get a gain at all. Idk why would would even want to speculate on it.

lol at this
lol at people thinking this wasn't going to happen

Players in Portugal can still access the VIP Store to redeem their FPPs at current rates this year, including for cash. We'll be manually upgrading VIP statuses for players who contact us to their last VIP Status before we exited Portugal so that they have the same access to cash rewards, tournament tickets, etc., as when they were active.

All players will be receiving email reminders about the FPPs to StarsCoin transition. We are also adding additional cash rewards for PlatinumStar and Supernova VIPs to the VIP Store to facilitate redeeming FPPs as follows:

-$15 VIP Reward Bonus - PlatinumStar – 1,155 FPPs
-$10 VIP Reward Bonus - Supernova - 625 FPPs
-$100 VIP Reward Bonus - Supernova - 6250 FPPs

Those should be live in the Store this afternoon.

Regards,
Dylan

nice to see Stars active in a thread again


welcome back to the forums

Pokerstars, please read post #227. Most players here agree with this guy

Will the pokerstars.uk client have different rake to the .com client please? I see we are to get the same amount of VPPs per $1 raked, so will Pokerstars raise rake on Pokerstars.uk to cover the UK tax?

Best thing for high volume players to do is leave Pokerstars today and grind elsewhere for the next month or two. If volume drops significantly there is a chance they come up with a more reasonable compromise.

Papiii

RIP in Peace

So does this mean that i can finally beat 10NL since pros and wizards will quit if they're not allowed to use HUD?

I agree with this. We need to make sure that stars understand right away the effects of losing ALL the volume created by regs. I think if the effects are immediate and drastic enough they might reconsider.

We basically need to kill all action at 400 and up and cut down action at lower stakes by about 75%. From January 1 they should get rake only coming from microstakes.

Don't forget to cash out and deposit as often as possible. Doing min cashouts and deposits is costly and one of the reasons for this money grab.

If stars wanted to prove its not a money grab they would need to highly reward lower volume players. Give 50% rakeback on everyones first couple k vpp's and lower it after after that. Simply lowering everyones rewards is NOT better for the game and a complete insult

Honestly, its not surprising that Amaya wants to maximize profits. The surprising things to me are that

1. Amaya bought Pokerstars with X business model with X revenue. Now Pokerstars has Y business model with Y?? revenue. They don't own the same business they bought.

2. Shutting down or substantially reducing Zoom. The effect of the rake raise is to shutdown the 500 and 200 Zoom pool for more hours everyday.

3. Zoom forces regulars to pay more rake per fish dollar won, and in NL makes it more likely that regulars will play as losers. Zoom seemed to be the future of poker, because of these effects. This becomes less frequent as the pools grow smaller/stop running.

4. By forcing action into the regular games, pokerstars loses rake with these changes at mid/high stakes. These actions likely to have the perverse effect at mid/high stakes of actually lowering the recreational deposit to rake ratio. We can see this already with the number of low-volume high winrate regulars in mid/high stakes, who play exclusively regular tables.

Cliffs: Short Amaya stock

Gogol's Nose

Guys we need a leader, and we need a great stoppage. This changes will beat just all of those who want to stay.

The way things are going all the poker sites will probably come together and get rid of reward programs altogether by 2020.

They all pretty much colude to not offer less than 4.5% rake at cash tables so why not right.

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I'm not even that high of a volume player and these changes aren't likely to affect me so much however I don't understand how Pokerstars can advertise a higher rate of rakeback for SNE's and continuing SNE's and then change their minds. Surely false advertisement is illegal and if not because the market is unregulated, what is stopping them from stealing money as well?

I see these changes as theft directly from players who unwilling knew of this change. I think it may be time to get the FBI back in as this is a crime whatever way Pokerstars dress it up. I wonder who is behind such changes within Amaya. It seems online poker is dying. If they can invest the extra money gained into enticing new players to poker then I'm all for it but where is the evidence to suggest this is happening. Regulation restricts many of the potential player pools from being merged anyway.

Hi daddyrnac,

There are no plans to increase rake on PokerStars.UK to cover the UK tax.

The VPP multipliers in 2016 will be consistent across all shared liquidity licenses.

Regards,
Dylan

Yes Ansky, you bring up some great points and thanks for taking the time in making such a detailed post. Especially regarding the lower stakes stuff which affects you less. I myself am very deterred from continuing to play on Stars and will probably switch to a different site.

So this is it for pokerstars. Good poker room destroyed by incompetence, ignorance and greed. gg.

This just sucks. Its worth it to get to Supernova this year?

We all should set a day for not to play in the site at all this year or something like that that maybe make them change their mind.

не дирај SNE! why someone who playing breakeven and generate tons of rake for you even if gets back 50-60% bothers you?