Isn't there already a 7000 post thread that has repeated everything already said in this thread?

Oh yeah. Do away with 20bb-50bb tables.

oh hi

welcome to mid-2010. lets just cater to the shortstackers once again. god forbid someone mess with their preferred game.

Only 100-100bb tables for both PLO/NL would be so great, but that'll never happen. Shortstack tables aren't going to be removed because it's what the majority of people play. Why would a site get rid of the games they earn the most rake in?

Stars didn't "cater" to shortstackers. They simply allowed people the opportunity to buy in at their preferred stacksize. And the regulars who have spent their entire poker careers studying a very narrowly defined form of poker (playing at 100bs) received what they wanted (deeper tables with no short stacks), but were awestruck that recreational players didn't like playing with 100bbs. Instead of accepting this and figuring out play against different blind levels, deeper stacked regulars are trying to get Pokerstars to adapt their "You can buy in for whatever you want, as long as I approve it!" stance, which would be terrible for poker if Stars was ever foolish enough to introduce CAP tables in place of the current 20-50bb system.

so a SSer that is happy with everything? noted, weird, but noted

You gotta wonder sometimes whether shortstackers also only have 1/5th of a brain...

LOL so true.

this.

or you could say that they are 5 times as smart for being 5 times as efficient. lets keep the thread to table buy in amounts .

Cap NLHE is the most balanced form of NLHE available. It's a fantastic idea, it just hasn't been implemented correctly.

Only two current (fixable) problems:
1. You shouldn't be able to participate in a hand if your stack can't make the cap.
2. The available buy-ins for cap games are too low. There should be 100bbs and 200bbs tables, not the 30bbs and 40bbs garbage they currently have.

1. Yes, yes, and yes.

2. I like the idea, but variable stack sizes is an interesting part of poker. I'd rather it occur naturally (people getting their smaller stack by losing money and not by buying in short to begin with). Plus, newbs won't try to bully if everyone has the same stack BULLDOZER!!!!! All in all though, I'm a fan of the idea.

Also, I'm still waiting for cap games w/antes.

Are there some universal buy in changes decided for 2011 or what the hell are you talking about?

+1.
Get rid of all tables and introduce cap tables.
30/40bb, 100bb, 200bb. Obviously you can't start a hand if you can't make the cap.
That's the most logical and fair solution. Same for HU and all other forms of poker.

This would be alright except that the ESPN crowd would potentially think it's weird to not have any NL even though it favors them and potentially move on.

no stars rep has said anything on the subject. i made this thread because it was brought up in the SNE thread and rather than have us all hating each other by the end of the page i started this thread.

CAP games suck, I rescind anything I have ever said in support of CAP games (ok Stars?) If that means I play 33% less hands per hour as a result of the one hour timer, so be it-I like my 20-50BB tables, the 50BB regulars like it, and the 20-50 casual players like them. How about listening to how we feel for a change. You gave all players some nice options in April, it ain't broke, nothing to fix. I know all high volume SSers feel the same way.

Please keep 20-50, forget CAP, and stop pandering to the fullstack nits as well as the intellectual wannabes who don't even play poker, but just like to debate for fun (you know, and I know, who you all are).

^^^

so you are saying stars should keep the ss tables but not introduce CAP. what about the people who would want to play cap.

you are contradicting yourself saying let people play what they wana play but dont bring in something YOU dont want.

Im not saying stars should get rid of ss tables but im just saying that you cant complain about full stackers trying to take away games you want when you are trying stars not to bring in games someone else may want.

1 buyin structure to satisfy everyone please

30-100bb

Remove 20-50 and add 20CAP.

I don't see how any ratholer could disagree. Most of them enjoy their beautiful 20bb effective stacks skillgame so much they leave the table anyway when up a couple of blinds, so adding CAP saves them alot of tableswitching effort. And of course the fish showed they love playing with 20bb effective stacks by flocking to 20-50, so I'm sure they will all follow them to CAP.

This +AVG contributed for fpps.

6 day bump. Anyone at Stars care to hazard throwing us a bone?

I would even be happy if someone came in with a form response of "we're looking at buyin structure, vip structure, etc..."

Pretty much something, anything, to look forward to for next year since it's looking fairly dreary right now.

I am going to guess not much changes next yr but thats imo