Op has a history of playing HU plo on ACR.

He should post some HHs of the night he was hacked.

I am pretty sure I saw the 25-50 HU game he is speaking of, I railed it. I do not remember anything out of the ordinary occurring.

It's not really too hard to spunk off 2 BIs at any level. If the opponent is a reg at these levels, with a bunch of funds in their account then it's unlikely that they are involved in it - and were just playing some spazzy/drunk person taking a shot a HS

Hands don't really mean too much over a short sample unless they are blantantly obvious. Clearly if it was the opponents first ever time playing HSPLO then it's a differnt story

A lot of the time when someone actually hacks an account, they will just go straight to the biggest game available and play recklessly. There have been many cases of this posted on 2+2/P5s. Annete_15s account got compromised a few years ago on UB and the hacker actually won her funds when playing (I think it was at 25/50 PLO 6max)

I've read through this thread and have a couple of thoughts on it:

1) This needs to be taken seriously by the forum, it's posters, and on-line poker players. Why? A lot of DDOS attacks, lots of cyber-hacks in the world, and online fraud. For lack of a centralized system in place to monitor this, this site serves as a kind of de-facto, "open crowd sourcing" for that purpose.

2) This whole thread stinks of something? I don't know what? As much as I have butted heads with Bobo in the past, I think the OP would need to have his hard drive checked by some serious IT tech people. The scandal is Denmark, and others, shows a need for real security if your going to be leaving info out there.
In this regard, his ass is not covered at all. And if you don't like that, your ****ed. And I've been with the bloody cyber-saw.

3) If not? Panic, grab your money, deal with stalling tactics (hey, your a poker player, right?), and watch another Poker site go up in flames.

4) Or the Winning Network hires some serious cyber security, and can convince the players their money is safe. And I think the pressure is on them to do that if they want to keep these higher stake games running. Cos' when the screen keeps freezing with $5,000 on-line, you may end up punching it, smashing it, and saying **** it for good, "why do I even bother, I knew better".

yes to all the above. I don't think 25 50 plo runs that frequently on winning and the chances of it running at 4amish ? THis is why 2 players where not looked at closely enough if at all. If this thread is indicative of how customer service handles its player concerns which include hacked accounts it has tarnished its own image without any help from op.

I remember when Lock was still viable and players account was hacked the player who played a joyrider was reached out to and all attempts to help that victim where made. Nothing even remotely close to helping op was initiated by wpn.

its actually much worse than that (assuming OP's description of the conversation in the other thread is accurate).

the security manager said something to the effect of "the guy playing 25/50 PLO had no idea what he was doing" first. then OP said, "so you found evidence of chip dumping?" and the security guy said no.

"you just said the person playing had no idea what they were doing. that's not evidence of chip dumping?"

security manager: "uhhhhh wut?"

You do realize Sharkscope doesn't have cash game results right?

OP you definitely did the right thing posted your issue here. your other thread had about 5 replies when i checked it the next day, this thread had 5 replies in <10 minutes.

also wait until AT LEAST Monday to post again. your goal should be getting your $$$ back, not making sure every accusation by a random person on the internet gets a response.

and follow Bobo's advice, check your system as best you can for viruses/spyware ect. this subforum on 2p2 seems like a good resource for that type of thing it you aren't computer savvy.

RE 4am 25/50PLO - I am not sure about traffic for this site, but it's possible that the opponent just sits at X tables for Y hours a day for an someone to sit. It would be great if the OP could get the opponents screenname if he can get the HH from ACR (or his computer) so we can see if the opponent looks ok or not.

RE Reaching out to the opponent - we have no idea If WPN have indeed emailed the opponent to see if they will give some/all of the funds back. From experience, this is a messy subject to handle as the opponent could effectively be free rolled now and has no idea if they actually lost to the hacker would the victim reimburse them (in a case of hacker wins $5K from player 1 and then loses the full balance to player 2, etc).

I have no real idea on how to play all variants of poker, but it doesn't mean that I'm chip dumping if I decide to sit at a Badacy table.

If I remember correctly in the lock case player refused to do anything about returning money for the reasons you stated but at least the site made an effort to help its player. Wpn security supervisor was completely ignorant according to op after looking at money lost in the dump not even being able to ascertain that a chip dump even occured if ops version was truthfull.

Regardless of the plo chip dump, from supports posts in this thread I would hate to be a player who had missing funds on this network. Doesn't sound like op fabricated them refusing to help one iota. Maybe op hasn't done enough to bolster his case but the site should have at least closely monitored the chip dump and people involved in that. Didn't sites in past disclose the joyriders info in the past on stolen funds?

YES!!! The point of the Sharkscope was to prove that OP played in games when he said he did not, and that he did not play in the games he claimed!!!!

Have you ever had something traumatic happen to you along the lines of losing around $10k? Most people are some combination of angry, confused, scared, etc until the shock wears off which can take a while. Add the place where the money was taken from isn't helping, a bunch of people calling you a liar including one dude that's convinced OP is lying because he can't see his cash game sessions on Sharkscope (wtf?) on top of all that

There's a reason why people who occasionally put themselves in stressful situations train constantly. Natural initial reactions aren't always the right ones.

So far he has provided some evidence that there was an obvious discrepancy regarding IP addresses and a copy of an email that confirms they brushed him off. That alone is very disconcerting. Their detective skills don't seem to be that great so I'm not putting much weight behind what they think they know until they provide more details.

I think the worst thing they could have is that they can tie OP to the IP addres. It's possible OP snuck out of his home at 3am while his family was asleep, checked into the marriot, order up some hookers and blow, found out the hooker was a dude a little too late and then donked off his bankroll trying to forget about what just happened. Anything is possible. Unless the tranny hooker comes forward or someone else can independently tie him to the ip address like the conceirge at marriot confirming he was there and remembers him because he requested a dozen little bottles of mouthwash at 3am there's no harm assuming he's being honest even if he isn't. If he is being honest and people assume he's not that's kind of a ****ty way to react to someone already in a ****ty situation.

I mean we still really don't know if this was a chip dump (meaning that both players were complicit with what happened). True, if it did happen as the OP stated then WPN needs help with compromised account procedures etc. Sites come across unique situations all the time and can only educate themselves on the fact after it happens - not saying that this is unquie at all, but maybe the first time it's happened?

Never heard of this. Who and what are they disclosing? All they would really know is the technical information of the computer that accessed the account (they gave the IP in this case)

Winning_TD made the 10th post in this thread, and five of the preceeding ones were from the OP. No one accused him of lying before that post. WPN should tell their side of the story instead of making vague insinuations. His post basically caused the "public show" he was trying to avoid.

lol degenerated into a tranny thread

" ..... is almost getting comical.... After getting told the IP Address was an exact match, I finally received a screenshot of the IP adresses from ACR logins. It was "a match" to a login earlier that day. It was never used before nor since. Looks they got into my account and went for the kill at 4 am when no one was looking. So, it is not a match at all. I live and work in Austin, TX "

Op, this is a quote from you on the other forum. Here you have received the screen shot showing that your account was logged in while you were not playing, and you even acknowledge that they "went for the kill" at this time.

So just to get this straight, you have accepted that a 3rd party is involved, and that your account funds just didn't disappear into someone's hands at the poker site? That's what I'm concluding from your own comments.

You never mentioned, or I missed how your Internet is setup at home. Are you on wifi? How close are you to neighbors? I can pickup wifi 2 whole houses away in town, and these are brick and mortar homes, as well as a church wifi across the road almost a hundred yards away. Someone does not literally need to be in your driveway.

Focus your energy on solving your basic question of who "went for the kill", instead of this fruitless bickering with the poker site. Hopefully the info and advice you receive here and other communications on your home network are not being compromised as we speak.

Please get a specialist involved, someone that can look at your setup at your home. Fast.

While you make some good points, the purpose of my posts certainly isn't to blame the victim.

If OP is the victim, he needs to be checking things on his end. We could try to offer him some advice, but it's going to be pretty general until we know what he's done so far. The only way he's going to get some solid advice in this regard is to get involved in a discussion about what he's done thus far, and more details about his situation and what happened.

And yeah, of course there's a great deal of suspicion behind the question now. There wasn't really the first time I asked it - AFAIC, that's always the best place to start, as when a poster's account is compromised, it's far more often than not something that's happened on the player's end, and it's best to discover what it is as quickly as possible in case the security issue is much bigger. The poster may have other accounts at risk if he/she doesn't fix the problem. But as the question keeps getting ignored, yes, I grow more suspicious.

Exactly.

Just to let everyone know i am still here and have been following the thread. I havent just disappeared.

The CEO will post tomorrow after the investigation is complete but one thing i can 100% confirm with you all is that it is conclusive that no chip dumping took place.

Thanks for the update! I for one am very interested to see what the official results are.

Thanks for posting an update. I'm curious to hear what the investigation concludes and to see some more evidence of what happened. Being on your end, you have more opportunity to see what happened and more resources to investigate.

That's the elephant in the room that hasn't really been discussed. I can understand why the OP might not want to talk about spyware, etc. since it might weaken his case that WPN is responsible. But nevertheless it is a very real possiblity.

Last year someone broke into my home with the intention of transferring money from my Carbon account into another account. He broke in very surreptitiously about 3 times and then when he realized that there was no way to transfer money from player to player on Carbon, he stole a lot of cash and personal possessions. If Carbon had p2p transfers, the person would have succeeded and I would have never known what happened. I'd be the one on 2+2 shouting that I never allowed anyone on my computer and claiming that it must have come from Carbon's side.

In my case it turned out to be the son of friends of mine who did this. There are just so many possibilities of friends, acquaintences and complete strangers who might compromise a player's account by any means possible; you just never know for sure.

I've been a big advocate of players maintaining their anonymity for security reasons for several years now. A couple of years ago I got into an idiotic flame war with Microbob simply because I suggested that players need to stop and think before giving up their anonymity. But as careful as I've been, my computer was still compromised.

I don't know if the OP realizes it or not, but right now their is enough info out there for anyone reading the threads in both forums to simply disconnect him at will if he decides to continue to play on his current account.

so someone joyrode ops account with the intention of winning? Only alternative is that wining is saying it was op I would think that lost the money. Looking forward to ceos post.

New accounts are so annoying.

Can't we make it that they aren't allowed to post anywhere until they have accumulated ten posts?

This is idiotic. I would make it not possible to post unless you have 100 posts. Seems more fair that way.

Indeed. Or, use the generous resources of other 2+2 posters if you don't want to pay for support. This was a good idea...

... in fact it's an idea I suggested in post 68 of this thread, 36 hours ago:

If this thread wasn't so cluttered with ill-informed morons OP might have engaged with this, or Bobo Fett's posts, or whatever.

You should offer your services to TPT to determine which posts should be allowed in any thread.