$10K missing from my ACR account [Dec 2014] - Page 5 - Internet Poker

Well his name does not pop up on sharkscope, so I am willing to say OP is full of ****. Maybe works for a competitor and is trying to tarnish WPN's name perhaps? OP has not responded back not helping his case either. IF there was a real issue, it looks like they decided to handle it privately since neither one has been back to this thread. However, like I said that screen name is not on WPN so?....

I think sharkscope only follows tournaments. WPN only very recently allowed their stats on sharkscope. I don't know if WPN is on the other datamining sites or not. I've never used those sites so I know practically nothing about them.

12-20-2014 , 05:08 PM

#102

JvilleWhip

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllUrChips

Since you go to ADVANCED SEARCH dummy.

Damnit. Made me go double check. Still nope.

12-20-2014 , 05:14 PM

#103

themrc

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 27

FYI, my name on ACR is thegr8belinski

I had played 2-4PLO up to 10-20PLO previously HU and 6Max

All monies were said to have been lost at 4am at 25-50PLO HU

12-20-2014 , 05:37 PM

#104

SootedNotes

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 14

WPN Rep wanna weigh in at all please?

12-20-2014 , 05:40 PM

#105

Dsl25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SootedNotes

WPN Rep wanna weigh in at all please?

He's remaining silent in case of legal issues in the future. I would, too. Regardless of what is going on.

12-20-2014 , 06:01 PM

#106

numberonedonk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsl25

He's remaining silent in case of legal issues in the future. I would, too. Regardless of what is going on.

LOL...Just stop. Now you're making yourself look foolish. You're not gonna do **** legally in this case no matter what happens.

12-20-2014 , 06:07 PM

#107

AllUrChips

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by themrc

Wow is all I can say. I just checked in and felt the need to post to those who attack my integrity having never met me and those who are on the side of seeking answers....

1) I have not "backed down", "disappeared", or "changed my story". I have talked to the head of security (Adrian) as mentioned. It was not satisfactory. Adrian reports to Phil (CEO). I guess I have some smidgeon of hope that ACR will ultimately re-review and do the right thing. I am optimistic about speaking to Phil directly on Monday and work this out. Therefore, I have not posted some of the additional info I have mentioned and that folks have discussed. My hope was to get this escalated and perhaps that has succeeded now. Time will tell.

2) I only started to post on the forums after ACR told me there was nothing they would/could do. They completed the "investigation" in minutes originally.

3) Yes, my account is new but I was/am on Fives for many years though I dont typically post. I am not your "typical full-time grinder". You can also have the mod weigh in and verify that I have only created one account which was a recommendation of a user on the other site. I am a professional by day and play poker on the side (mostly live these days). I don't have people close to me that would play on my account, any roomates, etc.

4) I have never made an accusation/claim that I cannot back up with an ACR or True email (with the exception of quoting a few individuals That I have spoken to. However, my calls were recorded by ACR and they can presumably be uploaded to corroborate my story)

5) If you read my original post, my account was compromised. I have never blamed anyone or pointed the finger as to how/why/ whom. My biggest gripe was that I have been lied to and misled, etc which is all the more concerning and adds to my theories. I have several theories to what happened but it is all speculation. All I have ever wanted was some research. There have simply been too many inconsistencies and misrepresentation to let this go away. All I know is that I did not login to ACR between from Monday-Wed.

6) Regarding my call with Rudy, it was actually (2) separate calls. I had to call BACK IN and ask where my money went minutes after he confirmed it and I provided wire info. It was only THEN on the 2nd call, that he informed me of my new balance from 18 hours earlier. This seems very odd. Have you ever called a bank and they gave you the wrong balance? It had to be on the screen right in front of him. And again, I have emails supporting this.

7) I would have never floated "chip dumping" as a theory if it was something I was involved in. Would that make any sense? I have not been accused of any wrongdoing. My account is still active as of this moment (albeit $10k lite).

As I said from the beginning, I am/was a supporter of WPN. I want another place to play aside from Bovada where I can see who I am playing against. When I tried to cash out the supervisors were extremely helpful (general service/chat was worst ever of any site fwiw). However, this incident was quickly dismissed and there are simply too many holes for me to just accept it.

I hope to provide additional updates after talking with Phil. My goal is not to drag WPN through the mud but to get to the bottom of this situation. I have simply pointed out the facts of my case and how it was handled thus far.

So you said when you talked to Rico on the 17th, that you had not logged in or played since sunday, the 14th. Sharkscope says otherwise. You played a tourney on the 16th 10 dollar buy in for a profit of 5.42. So, you DID in fact log in and play the night of the 16th at 9:52 pm. What time did you finish that tourney OP? If said tourney took about 5 or 6 hours, which makes sense because you did cash in it, that puts the time you were done with said tourney at about 4:00 AM.
Also you said in the OP that you ran it up to 9900 from tourneys and cash games. The only tourney you cashed in was for about 16 dollars. This is a huge red flag for me. Can you explain?

Last edited by AllUrChips; 12-20-2014 at 06:13 PM.

12-20-2014 , 06:11 PM

#108

Dsl25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllUrChips

From a $10 tourny to 25-50 PLO...makes perfect sense to me.

12-20-2014 , 06:12 PM

#109

Dsl25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by numberonedonk

LOL...Just stop. Now you're making yourself look foolish. .

I'm making myself look foolish by cracking a joke? Isn't that the point?

12-20-2014 , 06:16 PM

#110

AllUrChips

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsl25

From a $10 tourny to 25-50 PLO...makes perfect sense to me.

Have you looked at sharkscope? He bought in and lost in a 175 dollar tourney, and a 109 dollar tourney, and a 55 dollar tourney dating back to Oct. I thought he had JUST deposited on there for the millions?

12-20-2014 , 06:23 PM

#111

themrc

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 27

My last post before Monday...

From original post

"I load approximately $2k onto ACR a couple months ago (primarily for the Winning Millions disaster that was to come- coincidentally I had a top 40 stack blah blah blah)"

12-20-2014 , 06:24 PM

#112

Dsl25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllUrChips

If I recall correctly...he said he deposited a couple months BEFORE the millions to get accustomed to the site.

12-20-2014 , 06:26 PM

#113

AllUrChips

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Quote:

Originally Posted by themrc

Dude, answer my questions...Did you play in that tournament on the 16th at 9:52 like sharkscope claims? You said in the OP that you had not logged on since the 14th. The tourney on the 16th, (that you did cash in), would have been ending right about the time they claim the money was played. Answer my question please.

12-20-2014 , 06:28 PM

#114

AllUrChips

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Quote:

Originally Posted by themrc

I am brand new to two plus two. I am a member on "the other site" but wanted to share my story. I am going to copy and paste and then add to it...........

People are always skeptical so I will post a detailed timeline and history of events so you can see for yourself about the shenanigans that took place. I am posting this as a public service announcement for those with accounts on ACR. I hope by bringing this matter to light that it may put pressure on ACR to do a thorough and complete investigation or at least make the community aware of a horrible situation from a sketchy site....until they do the right thing.

A little background....I played for years on Stars for side income but have scaled back considerably (obv) since Black Friday. I started to dabble on Bovada and ACR recently.

I load approximately $2k onto ACR a couple months ago (primarily for the Winning Millions disaster that was to come- coincidentally I had a top 40 stack blah blah blah)

I run my account up to $9900 by 12/14 via tourneys and cash games by end of the millions tourney

I request check cashout on evening of 12/14 for $2975. ACR requested documents ( I had to submit 6 times but they finally "received all info")

As a concession due to numerous support issues and from the Millions tourney fiasco, ACR agreed to process a wire transaction. I decided to withdraw $7k via wire in lieu of the check.

12/16 Account is fully verified by 10am by ACR. Everything is good to go.

Here is where it gets interesting:

12/16
1pm I speak to Adriana who tells me the wire is approved and she will call me back to get the bank details. She said she needed to see what info was needed on their side.
No word from Adriana and no email during business hours
I send email that afternoon/evening inquiring.

12/17

10am I receive an email from True Poker requesting certain banking info (as expected). It went to my junk email. I was in meetings all day. I did respond to the email that I would prefer to call in via phone. I was curious why it came from True and was expecting a phone call but it did say the wire had been approved as Adriana had conveyed. I call into ACR to provide info via phone since it was sensitive information.

7pm Rico confirms the True email is their security layer and informs me to send instructions via email. He confirms my account balance is approximately $10,500. It seems like a hundred too high but no biggie. I did get credit for $340 in tournies from the warmup as well so it was very close if not correct.

7:30pm I send wire instructions as requested for $7k

7:35pm I log into my account and I see $281

My first thought is that they processed both the $2975 check and $7k wire. That would be almost exactly right. I call ACR back immed and Rico said the account is now showing $281 and that no payouts were processed. So where did my $10k go in 10 minutes???

Keep in mind I have not logged into ACR or played a hand since Sunday until just then.

Rico says his mgmt team will do an investigation but that the 10k was lost playing 25-50 PLO between 3am and 4am on 12/17. What???

12/18. I email Adriana asking to check IP addresses, accounts, players involved, etc.

I get an email back in 10 minutes saying IP addresses matched to my normal address. This is 100% BS. They didn't check anything. No one has access to my accounts. I have kids under 6 and a wife at my house. No one is up at 4am much less playing online poker. So, if it were my IP address they would be either in my house or driveway.

I have begged for a through investigation a screenshot showing the IP addresses b/c I know they made it up. I always play from home and know my IP address. I asked for a screenshot which I know they can get. Surely, their calls are recorded. How can a rep confirm my 10k balance and then 30 secs later tell me he was wrong. ACR said they showed no evidence of chip dumping, etc. Really, they discovered that in 10 minutes? This looks like a complete inside job or chip dumping and I am trying to get to the bottom of it. If their is an ACR rep or something I haven't thought of please let me know. I have not posted on a forum in quite sometime but am shocked at the treatment.

I was told that was impossible to hack my account and they are sorry for the inconvenience. No one has even called me back. "Supervisors were in meetings"

Really?

Here, let me just bring this back so it is easily accessible.

12-20-2014 , 06:42 PM

#115

themrc

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 27

So you don't think I am dodging u...

But 1) I don't owe you anything esp an immed response and 2) No, I did not log in that week prior to Wed when I sent my wire info and talked to Rudy.

I am out till Mon

12-20-2014 , 07:22 PM

#116

AllUrChips

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by themrc

Yeah, you do owe me an answer. I and several others here play there, and deserve to know facts so we dont get screwed like you supposedly did. You cant come on here and post an accusation, without expecting to get AND answer questions. So you say you did not log in and play, SOMEONE definitely did, and it is on sharkscope. Here is that link for those that are interested. This goes against what you are claiming: https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...thegr8belinski

12-20-2014 , 07:33 PM

#117

Bobo Fett

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Quote:

Originally Posted by themrc

5) If you read my original post, my account was compromised. I have never blamed anyone or pointed the finger as to how/why/ whom. My biggest gripe was that I have been lied to and misled, etc which is all the more concerning and adds to my theories. I have several theories to what happened but it is all speculation. All I have ever wanted was some research. There have simply been too many inconsistencies and misrepresentation to let this go away. All I know is that I did not login to ACR between from Monday-Wed.

Again, have you done anything to investigate how your account was compromised, and made sure that your computer is secure?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsl25

Didn't you do that exact same thing when you said you didn't buy the Op's story?

lmao!

No, me being sceptical of OP's story isn't putting all the blame on him. I'm just unconvinced ATM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsl25

No, you just joined in with your pitchforck aimed it at the player.

Um, no.

Quote:

Originally Posted by isplashcranberrys

We have no flaws in logic in that Party Poker case, yet you insist on going on there and telling people "I hope you don't think you deserve back everything you lost...blah blah blah".

Actually, I didn't say a word about what you deserved. It would be awesome if everyone got back every dollar they were cheated of. I just don't think that's realistic, not something you would get from any site if the money owed is many times what is in the cheater's account, and I don't know that it would be reasonable to expect it of the poker site. But this is really a debate for that thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by isplashcranberrys

You're the nut-low in life.

I'm the nut-low in life because you don't agree with my opinions in two threads? Wow, I thought things were going well and I was very happy with my life. Thanks for straightening me out.

12-20-2014 , 07:39 PM

#118

AllUrChips

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Yep, pocket fives confirms you played on the 17th as well. http://www.pocketfives.com/tournament/6257055/

12-20-2014 , 07:54 PM

#119

Bobo Fett

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I'm not sure why that's an issue. Isn't OP claiming that his account was compromised and that someone else played on it?

12-20-2014 , 07:54 PM

#120

FakeVariance

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 399

i agree with isplashcranberries in his assessment of boba fet

but then again, I see acr ads all over this site so its no surprise mods are going to bat for them.

No matter if you think im a gimmick or not, the site rep needs to clear things up. We players who play on that site need to know more than what Winning said in his earlier posts.

edit: i did not know boba fet was the head ad man when i accused him of not being neutral. it just worked out that way in the end lol

12-20-2014 , 07:57 PM

#121

Bobo Fett

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FakeVariance

but then again, I see acr ads all over this site so its no surprise mods are going to bat for them.

See my undertitle as well, so yes, it's fair to be sceptical of my opinions. But not wanting to come down hard on the site without all the info != going to bat for the site. Especially given how many of these threads we see where it turns out the OP wasn't being forthcoming with all the details. No idea if that's the case here or not, but it's certainly possible.

12-20-2014 , 08:05 PM

#122

FakeVariance

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 399

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

i agree the op sucks at making his case, but it seems strange that the site wont address it unless the OP escalates it further.

just address it without giving out personal details so players feel more safe.

WinningTD's comments make me feel about as safe as a pretty 20 year old blonde in the hood at 2am

12-20-2014 , 08:06 PM

#123

pmarrsouth

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IMO, if the OP wants WPN's side of the story to be aired ITT (which he now does not, I believe) then he should have to send them an email from the email address on his ACR account confirming this, rather than posting the "permission" on a 2+2 thread. While the OP is more than likely the ACR account holder in question, a poker site does not know this as fact.

In general, a site should not post information about a player's account without their permission first, as chiefsfan pointed out. IMO its ok for the WPN Rep to post what they did. Sites like PokerStars have posted similar things to "please note that the OP has edited the details/emails and we did not send it to them as they have presented it".

I hope that the OP has done what a couple of posters suggested wrt making sure their computer is secure (also his email account too), if he was indeed hacked. Would be the 2nd thing that I would do in this situation

12-20-2014 , 08:29 PM

#124

Limo Wreck

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From what I have seen so far Bobo Fet hasn't taken sides or jumped to irrational conclusions. He's simply applying skepticism and logic to this situation.

Anyone should be skeptical of OPs claims when he hasn't provided any evidence to support them. He's saying he has evidence but he hasn't shown a shred of it. That looks very suspicious especially to people who have seen lots of scammers come and go on this site.

It also looks damn suspicious when a bunch of new accounts come in rallying behind the OP (who hasn't supported his claims) bashing WPN and jumping to irrational conclusions. To me it looks like a highly technically gifted scammer trying to apply a lot of pressure to extort money from the poker site. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but because this is a possibility I would have to remain skeptical of the claims being made in this thread until some evidence is shown to support any of it. Anyone reading this should also be skeptical of any claims they think I have made.

Evidence or GTFO.