I like WPN rep posting a threat in this thread with zero follow up - very professional

Saying that they will provide their side of the story if the OP continues to tarnish WPN is hardly a threat. It was the OP who decided that he didn't want both sides brought out in the forums.

Obviously let them give their side of the story if they have dirt on op. Don't you find it odd that op had cashout was told that approved and processing and very shortly thereafter funds are gone? I don't think op made any of that up. Why wouldn't wpn want to disclose what info they have as they are making it sound as though they have some dirt on the op and he isn't exactly on the up and up. Unprofessional of them to say that without any follow up imo.

Previous post winning posted there are only 2 I believe made it sound as thought they had dirt on op and if pressed would divulge it. Based on the circumstances I feel winning should disclose anything they have. Leaving things as they are isn't the answer.

What happened to the op? Did they disappear after the unprofessional threat from the rep?

The OP said that it was 30 seconds later that the support person corrected himself. This is all really meaningless since the OP hasn't provided anything whatsoever to backup his memories of what happened. I think that maybe the OP has grabbed onto any tiny thing that he can think of in order to pressure the site into giving him his money. Just because general support may have looked at the wrong date on the account balance doesn't mean much of anything. It doesn't mean that the money was there and then gone. It isn't general support that decides if the money gets transferred.

I think that characterizing WPN's telling of their side of the story as "dirt" is pretty extreme. The OP failed to post anything whatsoever supporting that what he was saying is complete and accurate.

I believe op is right and someone who works in the poker room security has taken advantage of his account. I would advise all players to get funds out of the unregulated site. Let's not forget if it was a genuine reason and not the fault of the poker room they would of replied by now I think this is a similar situation to AP

Don't try this at home kids.

PLO4FREEROLLZ
1. 4am
2. Login to account through VPN on hotel's wifi
3. Deposit whole bankroll onto PLO shortstack
4. All in
5. Profit or complain account hacked

This thread needs mod support.

The burden of proof is on the OP, not WPN/ACR. There's been far too many posts like this where the OP makes a claim and then it's revealed that they are lying.

Clearly there's more to the story. And if you want faster cashouts, play on Betcoin (WPN). There's no delay and no documents needed.

I was told bitcoin is only for non us by rep
Quicker cashouts?

This is a fun mystery

I'm not sure it does need mod support. It's quite clear that most sensible posts here think OP hasn't (yet) made out his case, and there seems to be more to the story.

The rep's first post certainly does raise some questions, and they might want to consider posting again to clarify. It seems to have been poorly worded, perhaps out of frustration. But we don't know why.

Perhaps there is some discussion between site and player as to whether OP did blow all the funds himself. But perhaps there's some ongoing security incident (for example if people really can access other players' cashiers, as posted above) and they've asked OP to keep his mouth shut while they investigate, so as not to prejudice that investigation. We just don't know.

Either way, roasting the site for this seems entirely unjustified. For now. In time that may change, but for now people should sit tight and wait for further contributions from OP or the rep, since they're the only two that can add anything meaningful to the discussion.

But the suspense

Yeah right, cause they just started pokerz and decided to play a $540 tourney cause, you know, it had never been done before lol.
This thread stinks so much of cow dung the vapors transverse the inter tubes.

Completely unrelated to the thread topic...one of the main owners of AP/UB during the scandal was the uncle of a friend I've known since I was a baby. We were born two weeks apart and grew up on the same street together.

So, I have perspectives and information regarding the AP/UB scandal that you won't find anywhere else on the net. It was only a VERY small group that was involved in the AP/UB scandal. Not the entire site/company as a whole the way you're attempting to depict it here. The majority of the partners involved in the ownership of AP/UB had NOTHING to do with the cheating that took place with Russ Hamilton and his cronies. My friend's uncle and his partners purchased the website from Russ Hamilton and his partners (the guilty party.)

My friend said,"Russ Hamilton will be paying my uncle money for the rest of his life." This was a few months after the scandal was made public. So, immediately after the scandal was made public the ownership of AP/UB was caught up in a big interior legal battle involving the partners that were involved in the cheating against the partners that were innocent.

According to my friend...one of the shady characters involved (don't know his name) in the ownership of AP/UB transferred millions from AP/UB accounts to accounts in Panama and has never been seen, or heard from again...leaving the legitimate honest partners broke and penniless. My friends uncle was forced to sell his $2 million house and lost everything as a result of this situation.


So...when I see someone claiming that WPN is shady and involved in shady criminal activity involving the entire company like that of "AP/UB"...I KNOW this isn't the case. It wasn't even the case with AP/UB. Even if it was someone at the company who stole this guy's money...the chances are it's an isolated incident and not a company wide issue.

lulz at you thinking $540 is a lot of money.

Where's Winning_TD? Can't just make a threat then disappear when getting called out on it....

I can verify WPN's integrity, although it wasn't in the same ballpark financially as OP [small thread, 13 posts where a payout got cleared up after initially vanishing from me]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...ament-1398224/

sometimes it's nice to see the other side of the spectrum that yes, these people do a good job, most of the time actually

Did just notice I added to the posters with low post counts although at least mine has been regged for 3 years now

Probably a higher up shut him down. The site will probably make an official statement once it's looked into.

Where has OP gone in all of this? he hasnt made a post in about 4 pages.

Pretty crazy anyone thinking the site itself is behind this. At worst maybe an employee acting on their own.

op hasn't really helped his side here.

sick brag

... or for about half a page, for those of us who don't read 2+2 in an insane way. This thread is still on page 1...

Well his name does not pop up on sharkscope, so I am willing to say OP is full of ****. Maybe works for a competitor and is trying to tarnish WPN's name perhaps? OP has not responded back not helping his case either. IF there was a real issue, it looks like they decided to handle it privately since neither one has been back to this thread. However, like I said that screen name is not on WPN so?....

Since you go to ADVANCED SEARCH dummy.

Wow is all I can say. I just checked in and felt the need to post to those who attack my integrity having never met me and those who are on the side of seeking answers....

1) I have not "backed down", "disappeared", or "changed my story". I have talked to the head of security (Adrian) as mentioned. It was not satisfactory. Adrian reports to Phil (CEO). I guess I have some smidgeon of hope that ACR will ultimately re-review and do the right thing. I am optimistic about speaking to Phil directly on Monday and work this out. Therefore, I have not posted some of the additional info I have mentioned and that folks have discussed. My hope was to get this escalated and perhaps that has succeeded now. Time will tell.

2) I only started to post on the forums after ACR told me there was nothing they would/could do. They completed the "investigation" in minutes originally.

3) Yes, my account is new but I was/am on Fives for many years though I dont typically post. I am not your "typical full-time grinder". You can also have the mod weigh in and verify that I have only created one account which was a recommendation of a user on the other site. I am a professional by day and play poker on the side (mostly live these days). I don't have people close to me that would play on my account, any roomates, etc.

4) I have never made an accusation/claim that I cannot back up with an ACR or True email (with the exception of quoting a few individuals That I have spoken to. However, my calls were recorded by ACR and they can presumably be uploaded to corroborate my story)


5) If you read my original post, my account was compromised. I have never blamed anyone or pointed the finger as to how/why/ whom. My biggest gripe was that I have been lied to and misled, etc which is all the more concerning and adds to my theories. I have several theories to what happened but it is all speculation. All I have ever wanted was some research. There have simply been too many inconsistencies and misrepresentation to let this go away. All I know is that I did not login to ACR between from Monday-Wed.

6) Regarding my call with Rudy, it was actually (2) separate calls. I had to call BACK IN and ask where my money went minutes after he confirmed it and I provided wire info. It was only THEN on the 2nd call, that he informed me of my new balance from 18 hours earlier. This seems very odd. Have you ever called a bank and they gave you the wrong balance? It had to be on the screen right in front of him. And again, I have emails supporting this.

7) I would have never floated "chip dumping" as a theory if it was something I was involved in. Would that make any sense? I have not been accused of any wrongdoing. My account is still active as of this moment (albeit $10k lite).

As I said from the beginning, I am/was a supporter of WPN. I want another place to play aside from Bovada where I can see who I am playing against. When I tried to cash out the supervisors were extremely helpful (general service/chat was worst ever of any site fwiw). However, this incident was quickly dismissed and there are simply too many holes for me to just accept it.

I hope to provide additional updates after talking with Phil. My goal is not to drag WPN through the mud but to get to the bottom of this situation. I have simply pointed out the facts of my case and how it was handled thus far.

We have no flaws in logic in that Party Poker case, yet you insist on going on there and telling people "I hope you don't think you deserve back everything you lost...blah blah blah". You're the nut-low in life.