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Villain tables my hand out of the muck! Villain tables my hand out of the muck!

09-16-2017 , 11:52 AM
1/3NL. Crazy old guy in seat five is talking non-stop. He's mostly nice, everyone seems to know him, but he cannot stop for a second. He's also on a heater and talking about how he's the best and luckiest player in the card room.

I open to $12 with AA, crazy old guy pops it to $25. Three callers, yay! I pop it to $125. Cascade of folds. Pot is shipped to me.

I put a dollar on my cards move them forward. Dealer takes my cards.

Old guy says, "You won't believe what I folded! AK! I'll show you!"

Just as the dealer takes the toke off the cards to drop in his box, the old guy reaches over and turns over my AA!

"Oh, those aren't my cards!"

I don't say a freaking word. Sure, he's not giving much away by revealing that I 4-bet AA pre flop, but inside I'm livid. The dealer looks at me. In this room the player must say something if a rule is to be enforced. I have a "wtf" look on my face and just let it go. This guy is a daily reg, I'm not, and I'd rather keep a fun atmosphere at the table.

But I knew I'd get some righteous indignation from y'all at 2+2. Thanks for letting me vent.
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09-16-2017 , 11:56 AM
"out of the muck"
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09-16-2017 , 11:57 AM
Let me just add that I think there's a pretty good chance he really thought he was turning over his own cards. He was talking so much he wasn't paying much attention to the dealer.
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09-16-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
"out of the muck"
Yeah, out of the muck. If touching the muck makes the magical difference, this qualifies.
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09-16-2017 , 12:05 PM
Laugh and move on, or troll him a little bit. Give him the death stare, wait for him to apologize and then laugh and move on.

This isn't much to be upset about if he really didn't do it on purpose.
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09-16-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMoose
In this room the player must say something if a rule is to be enforced.
What rule would be enforced here and what would be the penalty?
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09-16-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
What rule would be enforced here and what would be the penalty?
No idea. What would happen in your room? Can't imagine it's ok to table other people's cards on a regular basis. I imagine a verbal warning is all that would happen. I'm just venting.
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09-16-2017 , 12:54 PM
He knew they weren't his cards. Most people don't toke the dealer after folding and losing the hand.

I'd probably say something like, "hey, I'm pretty sure it is one player to a hand in this room" and let it go. If he turns out to be an angleshooter, then I'd wait until he won a hand and turn his over. If he complains just say, "You got to see my hand without asking, I figured it was alright for me to see one of yours." As said above, all you're going to get is a warning.
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09-16-2017 , 01:02 PM
Oh you folded aces? Well played
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09-16-2017 , 01:04 PM
"Sir, please don't turn my cards over."

If he apologizes, say, "It's fine this time, no harm no foul. But I don't want you showing the world next time I do this with 72o." Everyone has a laugh and moves on.

If he doesn't apologize, call the floor.
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09-16-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
If he doesn't apologize, call the floor.
To what end?
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09-16-2017 , 03:03 PM
id just muck better, my mucked hands are never retrievable unless you were like waiting for me and snatched it out of the air.

once you do that, you never have your hand turned over by another in the future, thus ending any chance of this happening again in your lifetime.
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09-16-2017 , 07:50 PM
Come play in my game.

I won't pick up that chip and leave your hand sitting there.

I will slide your cards from under that chip and bury them in the muck, then lock up the toke and say thank you.
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09-16-2017 , 08:46 PM
Next time smash your fist on his hand and break his hand or at least hurt him, so he knows he isn´t allowed to touch any cards that already went over the betting line...hate those mugs
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09-16-2017 , 08:59 PM
Who do you think gets asked to leave the card room then?
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09-17-2017 , 02:46 AM
you need to learn how to turbo muck. you Chris Ferguson your hand like a dart into the bottom of the pile.
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09-17-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Who do you think gets asked to leave the card room then?
The post you responded to is sarcasm.
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09-17-2017 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
To what end?
So that if he does it again he can't claim it was an accident or he didn't know.
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09-18-2017 , 12:51 PM
Good to vent sometimes OP .. Is it an issue? For sure but it wouldn't bother me as much these days as it may have when I first started to play. It almost sucks he didn't turn over 47s instead. The AA does nothing for future game play .. in fact it's almost worse since players figure "He can't have it again." the next time you 4Bet ... GL
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09-18-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
To what end?
to give him a formal warning. These things are usually entered in the computer so other shifts will know what number offense it is.
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09-18-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
So that if he does it again he can't claim it was an accident or he didn't know.
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
to give him a formal warning. These things are usually entered in the computer so other shifts will know what number offense it is.
I guess I just don't care if he does it or not. Should he be doing it? No. Does it really affect me? No. And if he's habitual about it and the room doesn't do anything, then the room has bigger problems.
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09-18-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
I guess I just don't care if he does it or not. Should he be doing it? No. Does it really affect me? No. And if he's habitual about it and the room doesn't do anything, then the room has bigger problems.
do you play live poker? It's a pretty bad offense if it's done on purpose (and almost as bad if it's not).
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09-18-2017 , 02:30 PM
Yes I do. I understand it's a bad offense - the punishment should even go so far as to give the offender the rest of the day off on the first occurrence. But how does it benefit me to call the floor and make a big deal out of this? Will the result of the hand be changed? Future hands? If I felt strongly that this was an ongoing issue I would talk to a floor away from the table.
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09-18-2017 , 07:08 PM
Wouldnt call floor or anything but old man gets at least 1 very well timed slow roll from me
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09-18-2017 , 07:37 PM
You should have said something, but calling the floor would probably be a bit much. Speaking in a calm, non confrontational tone, something like 'I don't know if you did that on purpose or not, but don't ever table my cards. In fact, don't ever pull cards out of the muck' If he blusters, don't escalate, just stick, calmly, to your guns that it is a big no-no to show someone elses cards, and once they are in the muck, you have no idea whose cards you are grabbing.

By the way, he did it completely on purpose.
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