Quick question about something that happened the other night on two different occasions:

1) Board 224JA

Action goes check-check on river, both players table their hand

Player 1 shows: JT
Player 2 shows: J7

Dealer pushes pot towards Player 1 when I speak out and point out that it's a chop. Dealer acknowledges this and chops the pot, table is silent and we move onto the next hand.

2) Rule is when you bet out of turn, this bet must stand if checked to. If the player in position bets then out of position player can act normally.

Player 1 OOP bets
Player 2 IP checks

Bet should stand from player 1, however it is now his option from the dealer. I correct his mistake.

How out of line am I?

You were not out of line in either scenario.

Scenario #1 you are unquestionably right.

Scenario #2 you are technically correct although as the player who checked (your OP uses OOP and IP very confusingly - the bettor who bet out of position is actually in position), I frequently offer the option of the bettor to bet or check, rules be damned.

not out of line

Not only were you not out of line, you did the only things that wouldn't be out of line.

Generally speaking, no cards no comment.

In particular hand 1: It's only the "losing" player's fault if he doesn't spot the chop.

Edit: I would classify these as out of line, in a "hooking up with your 2nd cousin isn't technically out of line" kind of way.

No. Just no. RROP, showdown rule 5: "Any player, dealer, or floorperson who sees an incorrect amount of chips put into the pot, or an error about to be made in awarding a pot, has an ethical obligation to point out the error."

im sorry but this is just simply bad advice.

Story sounds made up.

Anyways, not out of line and you did the right thing, especially the first one.

2nd one I would say something because this is sometimes an angle.

Been a while, what's RROP? I also did say he's not technically wrong.

Ethics is a different discussion and I accept not speaking up is unethical.

So it's expected by the rules to speak up, and it's unethical not to speak up. So what is your rationale for saying "no cards no comment"? It's incorrect both from a technical rules perspective and an ethical perspective.

RRoP ... Robert's Rules of Poker .. I believe we are on Version 4 right now. These rules are generally used for cash games but some rooms have variations/exceptions that you may need to know about.

TDA ... Tournament Directors Association is the group that generally governs tournament play. There are some small variations between TDA and RRoP but the majority of the rules are enforced the same even though the exact language might be slightly different to protect the innocent.

Case 1 .. You MUST speak up if there is an issue at Showdown. It's the responsibility of the players and Dealer to protect the game.

Case 2 .. You SHOULD speak up, but wait (as you did) until action is on the offending player.

I agree that it's a fine line to speak up during a hand as you don't want to influence action either way. But if you are sure of an issue, then you should speak up .. again, to protect the integrity of the game. GL

Not out of line at all and I felt that way even before I read the other responses. I think these are pretty obvious.

I don't know if there's a canonical site of record for RRoP, but I traditionally use this site, which self identifies as version 11.

TDA rules can be found here. Annoyingly they don't include an HTML version. The PDF version is fine for reading, but has all sorts of weird and annoying formatting if you try to cut and paste it (into a post here, say).

Can't tell if trolling but these both legit happened like 30 minutes apart.

Not trolling, just trying to say the quoted part is extremely rare. Usually multiple people at the table feel the need to say something about this.

Ciaffone has a website. Version 11 is the current version available as a download from there.